VP Harris Compares January 6th to Pearl Harbor & 9/11

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07 Jan 2022, 1:02 am

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It was more comical than infamous.


Perhaps. But because of the riot's failure, red states are passing anti-democratic laws that include not only suppressing voting rights for Americans deemed to be of the wrong color or political persuasion, but also gives state legislatures the right to throw out election results on the pretext of voter fraud. The coup is not yet over, and has been frighteningly better thought out this time.


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07 Jan 2022, 1:06 am

Her exact words:

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Harris closed with the question of whether January 6 will be remembered as "a moment that accelerated the unraveling of the oldest, greatest democracy in the world, or a moment when we decided to secure and strengthen our democracy for generations to come."


Quoted from the article OP linked.


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07 Jan 2022, 1:31 am

So she is calling it an act of terrorism. In that regard, I agree. Sure, there weren't nearly as many casualties, but terrorism is terrorism. In any case, the other side apparently compared the crackdown on the riots to Tiananmen Square, so this is nothing.



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07 Jan 2022, 1:32 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Perhaps. But because of the riot's failure, red states are passing anti-democratic laws that include not only suppressing voting rights for Americans deemed to be of the wrong color or political persuasion, but also gives state legislatures the right to throw out election results on the pretext of voter fraud. The coup is not yet over, and has been frighteningly better thought out this time.


There's enough tension going on with the virus right now. This needs to be saved for '23.



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07 Jan 2022, 1:32 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
It was more comical than infamous.


Perhaps. But because of the riot's failure, red states are passing anti-democratic laws that include not only suppressing voting rights for Americans deemed to be of the wrong color or political persuasion, but also gives state legislatures the right to throw out election results on the pretext of voter fraud. The coup is not yet over, and has been frighteningly better thought out this time.
That really is abuse of power. I hope the passing of those bills can be challenged.



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07 Jan 2022, 1:36 am

Tross wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
It was more comical than infamous.


Perhaps. But because of the riot's failure, red states are passing anti-democratic laws that include not only suppressing voting rights for Americans deemed to be of the wrong color or political persuasion, but also gives state legislatures the right to throw out election results on the pretext of voter fraud. The coup is not yet over, and has been frighteningly better thought out this time.
That really is abuse of power. I hope the passing of those bills can be challenged.


What bills?



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07 Jan 2022, 1:44 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:
Tross wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
It was more comical than infamous.


Perhaps. But because of the riot's failure, red states are passing anti-democratic laws that include not only suppressing voting rights for Americans deemed to be of the wrong color or political persuasion, but also gives state legislatures the right to throw out election results on the pretext of voter fraud. The coup is not yet over, and has been frighteningly better thought out this time.
That really is abuse of power. I hope the passing of those bills can be challenged.


What bills?
Are you insinuating they have yet to pass any to stipulate their restriction of voters? That's good to know, and hopefully they don't.



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07 Jan 2022, 2:17 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Perhaps. But because of the riot's failure, red states are passing anti-democratic laws that include not only suppressing voting rights for Americans deemed to be of the wrong color or political persuasion, but also gives state legislatures the right to throw out election results on the pretext of voter fraud. The coup is not yet over, and has been frighteningly better thought out this time.


There's enough tension going on with the virus right now. This needs to be saved for '23.


You do realize that will be too late, don't you? The fix is already in.


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07 Jan 2022, 2:30 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Perhaps. But because of the riot's failure, red states are passing anti-democratic laws that include not only suppressing voting rights for Americans deemed to be of the wrong color or political persuasion, but also gives state legislatures the right to throw out election results on the pretext of voter fraud. The coup is not yet over, and has been frighteningly better thought out this time.


There's enough tension going on with the virus right now. This needs to be saved for '23.


The thin Democrat majorities in both houses might be gone by that time, and too many Republicans in both houses are slavishly Trump yes men, making taking action a lost opportunity.


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07 Jan 2022, 2:31 am

Tross wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
Tross wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
It was more comical than infamous.


Perhaps. But because of the riot's failure, red states are passing anti-democratic laws that include not only suppressing voting rights for Americans deemed to be of the wrong color or political persuasion, but also gives state legislatures the right to throw out election results on the pretext of voter fraud. The coup is not yet over, and has been frighteningly better thought out this time.
That really is abuse of power. I hope the passing of those bills can be challenged.


What bills?
Are you insinuating they have yet to pass any to stipulate their restriction of voters? That's good to know, and hopefully they don't.


No, I think he is stating that he is unaware of the bills Kraichguaer mentioned.

A lot of people are.

Much of the public discussion on some of these bills never went past claiming they were intended to reduce voter fraud. You have to read the bills to see where the abuse of power hides.

But they have, in fact, passed.

Just a couple of limited examples, but there are many more like these:

In Texas, per a Texas Tribune article:

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It specifically targets voting initiatives used by diverse, Democratic Harris County, the state’s most populous, by banning overnight early voting hours and drive-thru voting — both of which proved popular among voters of color last year.

The new law also will ratchet up voting-by-mail rules in a state where the option is already significantly limited, give partisan poll watchers increased autonomy inside polling places by granting them free movement, and set new rules — and criminal penalties — for voter assistance. It also makes it a state jail felony for local election officials to proactively distribute applications for mail-in ballots, even if they are providing them to voters who automatically qualify to vote by mail or groups helping get out the vote.


Basically, attempts to curtail voting by minorities more likely to be Democrats.

In Georgia, per CBS News (not my favorite source, but I've heard this else where and this was the first article to come up on Google):

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State election board will have new powers and won't be chaired by the secretary of state

The five-person state election board will no longer be chaired by the secretary of state, who now becomes a "non voting ex officio member." GOP Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger has been at the center of attacks by fellow Republicans for pushing back against attacks from former President Trump.

The chair and board members will be elected by the General Assembly, giving more power to the Republican-controlled state legislature. But no members of the board may serve simultaneously in the state legislature. And while elected by the legislature, the chair is supposed to be non-partisan. The new law prohibits the chair from actively participating in a political party or organization, donating to a political campaign, or running for public office during his or her service and in the two years preceding the term as chair.

The state election board has new powers over local election officials. It can, for instance, suspend county or municipal superintendents based on performance or violation of election board rules, after first conducting a preliminary investigation and hearing. It may then appoint temporary replacements, but it can't suspend more than four officials.


This is particularly scary, because it changes what used to be a non-partisan function with limited powers into a more partisan one with more extensive powers.


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07 Jan 2022, 2:52 am

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January 6th was a warning shot across the bow, and it worries me to see how many people are willing to downplay and ignore it.


Your "warning shot" cost 4 officers their lives and 60 others injured

The real warning shot firedd by right wing fascists happened in 12th August 2017 when members of the public were attacked shot and run over by neo-Nazis inspired by Trump



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07 Jan 2022, 3:55 am

Tross wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
Tross wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
It was more comical than infamous.


Perhaps. But because of the riot's failure, red states are passing anti-democratic laws that include not only suppressing voting rights for Americans deemed to be of the wrong color or political persuasion, but also gives state legislatures the right to throw out election results on the pretext of voter fraud. The coup is not yet over, and has been frighteningly better thought out this time.
That really is abuse of power. I hope the passing of those bills can be challenged.


What bills?
Are you insinuating they have yet to pass any to stipulate their restriction of voters? That's good to know, and hopefully they don't.


I was just asking what bills you're referring to.



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07 Jan 2022, 3:57 am

DW_a_mom wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Perhaps. But because of the riot's failure, red states are passing anti-democratic laws that include not only suppressing voting rights for Americans deemed to be of the wrong color or political persuasion, but also gives state legislatures the right to throw out election results on the pretext of voter fraud. The coup is not yet over, and has been frighteningly better thought out this time.


There's enough tension going on with the virus right now. This needs to be saved for '23.


You do realize that will be too late, don't you? The fix is already in.


What fix?



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07 Jan 2022, 4:04 am

cyberdad wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
January 6th was a warning shot across the bow, and it worries me to see how many people are willing to downplay and ignore it.


Your "warning shot" cost 4 officers their lives


What 4 officers?



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07 Jan 2022, 4:38 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Perhaps. But because of the riot's failure, red states are passing anti-democratic laws that include not only suppressing voting rights for Americans deemed to be of the wrong color or political persuasion, but also gives state legislatures the right to throw out election results on the pretext of voter fraud. The coup is not yet over, and has been frighteningly better thought out this time.


There's enough tension going on with the virus right now. This needs to be saved for '23.


You do realize that will be too late, don't you? The fix is already in.


What fix?


See my response to Tross, a few posts up.


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07 Jan 2022, 4:46 am

Michael Tracey republished his original take after reviewing it and deciding it held up; I happen to agree.

https://mtracey.substack.com/p/please-s ... ut-january

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We are being told that a “coup attempt” no longer needs to be understood as constituting an “attempt” to seize control of the government — as had generally been the common understanding of the term before the events of yesterday, which have caused the entire political and media establishment to go completely haywire.

Is it unusual for a mob to breach the Capitol Building — ransacking offices, taking goofy selfies, and disrupting the proceedings of Congress for a few hours? Yes, that’s unusual. But the idea that this was a real attempt at a “coup” — meaning an attempt to seize by force the reins of the most powerful state in world history — is so preposterous that you really have to be a special kind of deluded in order to believe it. Or if not deluded, you have to believe that using such terminology serves some other political purpose. Such as, perhaps, imposing even more stringent censorship on social media, where the “coup” is reported to have been organized. Or inflicting punishment on the man who is accused of “inciting” the coup, which you’ve spent four years desperately craving to do anyway. He’s already been effectively banned from Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter — a rubicon-crossing event in the suppression of political speech which, of course, is being cheered by all the usual suspects who otherwise claim to be stalwart defenders of enlightened liberal values.

At no point yesterday was the American government at risk of being “overthrown,” as members of Congress have laughably suggested. Per usual, our guardians of consensus can’t bring themselves to describe what unfolded with any degree of dispassion or calm. Instead we’re told by the incoming Senate Majority Leader, for example, that January 6, 2021 will now “live in infamy” right alongside December 7, 1941. Elected officials issued emotional notices that they were “okay,” like they had just narrowly avoided being crushed in an earthquake, or escaped the World Trade Center on 9/11. This is made all the more odd because the only person upon whom lethal force was committed appears to have been a Trump-supporting woman who was shot point-blank in the throat by a Capitol police officer. She’s now dead. Congress was temporarily inconvenienced.

Journalists and pundits, glorying in their natural state — which is to peddle as much free-flowing hysteria as possible — eagerly invoke all the same rhetoric that they’d abhor in other circumstances on civil libertarian grounds. “Domestic terrorism,” “insurrection,” and other such terms now being promoted by the corporate media will nicely advance the upcoming project of “making sure something like this never happens again.” Use your imagination as to what kind of remedial measures that will entail.

Trump’s promotion of election fraud fantasies has been a disaster not just for him, but for his “movement” — such as it exists — and it’s obvious that a large segment of the population actively wants to be deceived about such matters. But the notion that Trump has “incited” a violent insurrection is laughable. His speech Monday afternoon that preceded the march to the Capitol was another standard-fare Trump grievance fest, except without the humor that used to make them kind of entertaining. Trump didn’t command that his followers physically breach the Capitol Building. In fact, after previously saying he would join the march, he seems to just have gone home to tweet and watch TV. So, basically his normal routine on a typical day, minus a trip to the golf course.

Trump has never had the concentration, organizational acumen, or ideological coherence to mount a bonafide “coup,” and a mob intrusion which was swiftly dispersed by armed agents of the state doesn’t change that. Shortly after the breach, he released a video instructing his followers not to take Senators hostage or imprison Mike Pence, but to “go home.” No factions of the federal government joined the mob on Trump’s orders, because he didn’t bother issuing any. The whole episode never stood the remotest chance of preventing the certification of Joe Biden, much less overthrowing the government. It was just another goofball charade, and in that sense a fitting end to the Trump presidency.

Still, there are many people in positions of power who would like you to believe that a real-life “insurrection” is genuinely underway, and to develop a kind of exaggerated mythical understanding of what occurred at the Capitol. Because it will enable them to seize additional powers — not through a “coup,” but through the vast inflation of an alleged threat, which is always how they do it.


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