Whoopi Goldberg suspended for racist comments

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Seems you also have a problem with reading and comprehension since a predicated my sentence with "I suspect" which was not quoting the link you eagerly wanted everyone to see to make Carano seem like a victim of cancel culture

Saying "not race" is not the same as saying jews are inferior.

You lost me? It doesn’t matter that today we use another definition of race, it was Hitler’s definition that caused the holocaust. He wanted a pure aryan race and eugenics was his method to achieve it.

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So...Enlighten us: What evidence do you have for "suspecting" something which is counter to the person's actual words?

She originally said the Holocaust was about mans inhumanity to man and not about race because it was white people fighting white people. As we all know that was mistaken because the Nazis tried to murder the Jews out of existence based on the belief that the Jews were conspiratorial race. Hers is a mistake of ignorance not anti semitism. I do not think she meant it in the “it was just about white people fighting white people” way. To me it was an understandable mistake because when we grew up race was defined by skin color. There was “white” , “black”, “yellow” , and “brown”. I am Jewish and thought of and think of myself as white. I faced no discrimination based on my skin color, people do not clutch their belongings and move to the other side of the street when I go by. Most Jews here were more similar in skin color then different thus we were a white ethnic religious group(That did not mean I thought Sammy Davis was not Jewish.)

Goldberg apologized not in the “I’m sorry I offended you” way but by acknowledging exactly what she got wrong. That really should have been the end of it.

Now the definition of race I discussed before is now apparently hopelessly outdated. Jews are a race now. That is how the Nazis, KKK etc define us. And I am supposed to view this as progress

Most people use the term "race" to denote to skin color. In that sense, Jews can be any race. I'm Ashkenazi Jewish and I consider myself white. I benefit from white privilege in regards to interactions with the police, receiving better service, etc. That said, anti-semitism is prevalent and increasing. Somebody I know personally was attacked for being visibly Jewish and it made the news. That said while I'm ethnically Ashkenazi Jewish, I'm not visibly Jewish. I don't wear the star of David, etc. Thus I don't experience that kind of anti-Semitism. If I was visibly Jewish I know it would be different. I do hear people make comments about how Jews own all the banks and stuff.

Race is a social construct. At one point Italians were not considered white. The Nazis also believed in the "master race" so the holocaust was about race and Jews were targeted solely for being Jewish.

The Nazis invented the concept of the Jewish race. Outside of Nazi Germany jews could assimilate in any society they lived and there was no "one drop" rule (no prizes for guessing where the Nazis got that idea from) or idea of a Jewish race.

It should be self-evident Carano is fuming why she was shown the door from Disney whereas Disney has made no step to remove Whoopi
https://movieweb.com/gina-carano-speaks ... -the-view/

What, in particular, in that article shows that "Gina Carano's angle is why Whoopi Goldberg isn't being fired from Disney"?

The closest I could see was her "tweet":


Which is merely an observation about the double standards held by some, and not a request for anyone to be fired... It could even be seen as a nudge to Disney that if what occurred in this instance is only worth a 2 week "time-out", then there should be no impediment to Ms Carano's return to the Mandalorian show (and possibly the Boba Fett one as well, to boost its ratings).

It's also interesting that your supporting "evidence" (this article) for your claim doesn't even appear to have been published until some time after you made your claim...

It's relevant that Gina Carano was warned by Disney multiple times about the nature of her social media posts. It would be hard (but not impossible) for her to return to either the Mandalorian or the Book of Boba. Even now she has been receiving warnings from instagram suggesting she hasn't learned her lesson
https://www.deseret.com/entertainment/2 ... nformation

In comparison this is technically a first offence for Whoopi.

Interestingly I find myself agreeing with John Mcain's daughter, Meghan McCain who is a conservative
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/t ... f3f9edf043

You are spot on.

The Goldberg defenders seems to be getting themselves in a tizzy because they are applying their current (flawed in most cases) understanding of race to an historical situation... when Goldberg was talking about that historical situation and the motivations and intentions surrounding it.

Everyone's personal view on what race is and isn't today is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to the subject of the discussion.

Are you Whoopi Goldberg?

If yes, get back to educating yourself about race, racism, the Jewish people, Hitler, and WW2 origins.

If no, how the hell do you know?!

Just going to point out, what's happening with Whoopi here shouldn't even really be called a suspension, it's more of a rubber rooming, getting her off the air until the story blows over so they don't have to talk about it.

Sorry, in this example Whoopi isn't really making a judgement about whether jews are superior or inferior (that's not what she said). My understanding is that she (Whoopi) was trying to make the point that jews/judaism isn't a race (which technically she is correct) but the way she put the point across in the context of the holocaust was both clumsy, inaccurate and culturally ignorant.

Difference between Goldberg and Carano is Goldberg is willing to be educated and learn and not make the same mistake again. Carano on the other hand likes to double down and keep doing what she keeps doing and chooses to not be educated and learn.

I totally see the difference here and don't see these two comparable.