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auntblabby wrote:
i always knew what "gypped" referred to, as there were gypsies in my neighborhood growing up. to mix metaphors, i was taught at an early age to "trust everybody but cut the cards."
Honestly I wouldn't know if I met a gypsy unless they looked like this and were holding a crystal ball
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18 Mar 2023, 5:00 am
cyberdad wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
i always knew what "gypped" referred to, as there were gypsies in my neighborhood growing up. to mix metaphors, i was taught at an early age to "trust everybody but cut the cards."
Honestly I wouldn't know if I met a gypsy unless they looked like this and were holding a crystal ball
my folks told me who the gypsies were. one Romany family at least made a regular circuit around our town, selling hand-hewn yard furniture in the back of the flatbed truck.
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18 Mar 2023, 7:47 am
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Whoopi Goldberg apologizes for using Romani slur on 'The View': 'I'm really, really sorry'
I am another one that never connected "gypped" with gypsies. I have not heard "gypped" in a really long time though it was common when I and Whoppi grew up.
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Whoopi Goldberg issued an apology for using an offensive word on Wednesday's episode of The View. While discussing former president Donald Trump, the talk show host mentioned how his supporters feel he got "gypped" in the 2020 presidential election.
The View's official Twitter account posted an apology video from Goldberg shortly after the episode aired.
"You know, when you're a certain age, you use words that you know from when you're a kid or you remember saying, and that's what I did today and I shouldn't have," the 67-year-old actress explained. "I should have thought about it a little longer before I said it, but I didn't, and I should have said 'cheated' and I used another word. And I'm really, really sorry"
Multiple Twitter users commented how they were unaware that "gypped" was an offensive word. But here's why the term should be retired.
"Gypsy" is a word that's been used to describe the Romani people. Merriam-Webster defines being "gypped" as being cheated, defrauded or swindled, and notes, regarding its etymology, that it is "probably short for gypsy." For years, some have casually used the word to describe when they've received less than they paid for, or if they've gotten something stolen. Obviously, "gypped" doesn't have the best connotation.
"I encounter a lot of people who tell me that they never knew the word 'gypped' had anything to do with gypsies, or that it's offensive — especially when the word is heard not read," University of Texas at Austin professor Ian Hancock, who was born in Britain to Romani parents, explained to NPR in 2013. "My response to them is, 'That's okay. You didn't know but now you do. So stop using it. It may mean nothing to you, but when we hear it, it still hurts.'"
The View's official Twitter account posted an apology video from Goldberg shortly after the episode aired.
"You know, when you're a certain age, you use words that you know from when you're a kid or you remember saying, and that's what I did today and I shouldn't have," the 67-year-old actress explained. "I should have thought about it a little longer before I said it, but I didn't, and I should have said 'cheated' and I used another word. And I'm really, really sorry"
Multiple Twitter users commented how they were unaware that "gypped" was an offensive word. But here's why the term should be retired.
"Gypsy" is a word that's been used to describe the Romani people. Merriam-Webster defines being "gypped" as being cheated, defrauded or swindled, and notes, regarding its etymology, that it is "probably short for gypsy." For years, some have casually used the word to describe when they've received less than they paid for, or if they've gotten something stolen. Obviously, "gypped" doesn't have the best connotation.
"I encounter a lot of people who tell me that they never knew the word 'gypped' had anything to do with gypsies, or that it's offensive — especially when the word is heard not read," University of Texas at Austin professor Ian Hancock, who was born in Britain to Romani parents, explained to NPR in 2013. "My response to them is, 'That's okay. You didn't know but now you do. So stop using it. It may mean nothing to you, but when we hear it, it still hurts.'"
I am another one that never connected "gypped" with gypsies. I have not heard "gypped" in a really long time though it was common when I and Whoppi grew up.
Grew up in the same era as you and Whoopie. I also havnt heard "gypped" in a long time. But for a long time I knew it derived from "Gypsy", but thats probably because ...someone (Mom, and Dad, or some grown up expert on TV) explained it to me sometime when I was a like 12.
Whoopie saying "gypped" is like you or I describing a product or a person being "sleazy". In the early 1800s when the Industrial Revolution began to spread beyond Britain, Britain had the reputation for making the quality stuff, and other places (like the US at one point) had the reputation for making shoddy knock-offs. Another place with that rep was the German state of Silesia (now in Poland). Stuff made in Silesia was "Si-leazy". So if you call someone "sleazy" are you making an anti-German ethnic slur? No because the geographic derivation of the expression is a forgotten fossil embedded the word. Gyp is like that. On the other hand...dont ever use the expression "Jew me down" (to bid down a price too low) on TV.
Thats a more obvious ethnic slur.So I agree that Whoopie is getting excessive punishment.
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19 Mar 2023, 11:38 am
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ASPartOfMe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
In that case case Bruce Springsteen and Fleetwood mac may be cancelled as they use Gypsy in songs in a pejorative manner
There are probably several hundred Hollywood movies that use genies and belly dancers and gypsies. Should they all be shutdown??
I honestly think Whoopie (like every other black person) was not thinking Gypsy when they use the term.
There are probably several hundred Hollywood movies that use genies and belly dancers and gypsies. Should they all be shutdown??
I honestly think Whoopie (like every other black person) was not thinking Gypsy when they use the term.
How are Bruce Springsteen and Fleetwood Mac using “gypsy” in a pejorative manor?
Why do you think only black people are not thinking of the the origin of “gypped” when use the term?
I think that Cyber is overstating his case, and doesnt know when to quit when he is ahead. Overstating it to the point that he is making himself look like an ignoramus who doesnt even know that Gypsies are real, and not mythical.
I agree with Cyber that Whoopie is blameless. And blameless because she probably cant even spell the word "Jip".
Thats how I assumed it was spelled when I was a child. But then I saw it in print one day, and I after I had heard other kids in high school use the term "Jew me down" I deduced that "gyp" must be "like that " and must be derived from "Gypsy" because of the common weird spelling, and because Gypsies are viewed with distrust by non Gypsies. But most folks dont break words down the way I did, and still do, that way. Blacks in the south heard southern Whites use the expression, and the Whites inherited the expression from their British Isles ancestors -who had had distrustful dealings with Gypsies centuries before in Elizabethan times. Unlettered living Blacks and Whites alike in the south probably are rarely aware of the origin of the term.
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