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02 Mar 2022, 6:43 am

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There are fights out here in Australia also, I think. :scratch:
I'll see if I can Google if that is true. <satire> :mrgreen:

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02 Mar 2022, 6:43 am

^^ I find it hard to believe that black Americans for example would find much trouble to gain entry, a one phone call from American authorities would make the border authorities s**t in their underwear.



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02 Mar 2022, 6:48 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I didn't read all posts but my take on this 'racism' claims:
- Racism exists everywhere, not only in Ukraine or Poland.
- It's Poland who requested to refuse entry of non-european refugees, not Ukraine.
- Poland is obliged to acquire Ukrainian refugees because those latter have no longer a safe country.
- Non-european refugees have safe countries (South Asians, Arabs, Africans...etc), it's the responsibility of their embassies/governments to make formal rassurements with Polish government that their people won't stay in Poland (let's face it, Poland being a EU is very tempting for illegal migrants to exploit the mess), and to send buses to the borders to escort them directly to embassy/airport for immediate deporting process, did they do that already? No country wants to be flooded with illegal migrants.
- Not only black people were being pushed back, all non-european refugees were being pushed back and denied entry, POCs are assumed obvious cases of being non-european citizen (statistically), and there's probably a language barrier in this mess.


That is right.
I had forgotten how Belarus created a manmade refugee crisis.
Perhaps this is causing friction?



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02 Mar 2022, 6:48 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
^^ I find it hard to believe that black Americans for example would find much trouble to gain entry, a one phone call from American authorities would make the border authorities s**t in their underwear.
I very much doubt there were many Black Americans in Ukraine but I think US passport would have been enough to get through, without any phone calls.


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02 Mar 2022, 6:49 am

Just an example of some foreign government's negligence:

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02 Mar 2022, 6:50 am

magz wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
^^ I find it hard to believe that black Americans for example would find much trouble to gain entry, a one phone call from American authorities would make the border authorities s**t in their underwear.
I very much doubt there were many Black Americans in Ukraine but I think US passport would have been enough to get through, without any phone calls.


I heard claims (often from people fans of Putin, or people bitter from the West like the Armenians), that even black Ukrainians were denied entry to Poland. Any sources on that?



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02 Mar 2022, 6:51 am

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That is right.
I had forgotten how Belarus created a manmade refugee crisis.
Perhaps this is causing friction?
Certainly - and our Border Guard wasn't saints back then, either.

But right now, I strongly believe there is no more racism there than there would be in any place in the world in a similar situation.


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02 Mar 2022, 6:54 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I heard claims (often from people fans of Putin, or people bitter from the West like the Armenians), that even black Ukrainians were denied entry to Poland. Any sources on that?
Black Ukrainians? I have yet to meet one.
I mean, there are probably some Black people with Ukrainian passports, like someone from Carribean could have married an Ukrainian and they moved there - but it's so rare I haven't seen any yet. Ukraine is like Poland was during my childhood - a Black person is a rare sight and most likely a foreign student.


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02 Mar 2022, 9:18 am

Russia invades Ukraine, fires rockets into residential buildings, and shells cities indiscriminately.

Some Ukrainians are racist while running away.

While it is true that, yes, both those things are bad, this isn’t an issue where “both sides”ing makes sense. One side is orders of magnitude worse.



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02 Mar 2022, 10:55 am

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I think it's fair to understand the various incidents involving students trying to flee as being isolated incidents and not use them to make blanket condemnations of the Ukrainian or Polish peoples.

Western nations have their own shameful histories of racism and xenophobia too.


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02 Mar 2022, 11:35 am

There’s always bad apples in law enforcement, no matter where you are.



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02 Mar 2022, 12:24 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
Russia invades Ukraine, fires rockets into residential buildings, and shells cities indiscriminately.

Some Ukrainians are racist while running away.

While it is true that, yes, both those things are bad, this isn’t an issue where “both sides”ing makes sense. One side is orders of magnitude worse.

One of my favorite oldie-goodie guilty pleasure films has a tagline "Get ready to root for the bad guy."

If you want this to end and wish for fewer Ukrainian casualties you should consider it.


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02 Mar 2022, 12:43 pm

There is now considerable documentation of border guards treating nonwhite people with disdain, discriminating against them—and there have been beatings, too.

This doesn’t mean Ukraine is not an ally, though, and deserving of worldwide assistance.



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02 Mar 2022, 12:48 pm

r00tb33r wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
Russia invades Ukraine, fires rockets into residential buildings, and shells cities indiscriminately.

Some Ukrainians are racist while running away.

While it is true that, yes, both those things are bad, this isn’t an issue where “both sides”ing makes sense. One side is orders of magnitude worse.

One of my favorite oldie-goodie guilty pleasure films has a tagline "Get ready to root for the bad guy."

If you want this to end and wish for fewer Ukrainian casualties you should consider it.


If you're siding with the aggressor you're on the wrong side and need to consider your own sense of morality. You're past both sides and into well bad is akshually good territory which comes off especially cynical and tonedeaf since you won't have to deal with any of the ramifications of the outcome you keep cheerleading for.


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02 Mar 2022, 12:57 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
r00tb33r wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
Russia invades Ukraine, fires rockets into residential buildings, and shells cities indiscriminately.

Some Ukrainians are racist while running away.

While it is true that, yes, both those things are bad, this isn’t an issue where “both sides”ing makes sense. One side is orders of magnitude worse.

One of my favorite oldie-goodie guilty pleasure films has a tagline "Get ready to root for the bad guy."

If you want this to end and wish for fewer Ukrainian casualties you should consider it.


If you're siding with the aggressor you're on the wrong side and need to consider your own sense of morality. You're past both sides and into well bad is akshually good territory which comes off especially cynical and tonedeaf since you won't have to deal with any of the ramifications of the outcome you keep cheerleading for.

The morality had been lost when they failed to reach a political/diplomatic solution, so I'm not sure what you're on about.


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02 Mar 2022, 1:22 pm

r00tb33r wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
r00tb33r wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
Russia invades Ukraine, fires rockets into residential buildings, and shells cities indiscriminately.

Some Ukrainians are racist while running away.

While it is true that, yes, both those things are bad, this isn’t an issue where “both sides”ing makes sense. One side is orders of magnitude worse.

One of my favorite oldie-goodie guilty pleasure films has a tagline "Get ready to root for the bad guy."

If you want this to end and wish for fewer Ukrainian casualties you should consider it.


If you're siding with the aggressor you're on the wrong side and need to consider your own sense of morality. You're past both sides and into well bad is akshually good territory which comes off especially cynical and tonedeaf since you won't have to deal with any of the ramifications of the outcome you keep cheerleading for.

The morality had been lost when they failed to reach a political/diplomatic solution, so I'm not sure what you're on about.


That failure lays with the side that initiated violence, not the people resisting their choice to use violence.


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