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02 May 2022, 11:42 pm

https://www.upi.com/amp/Top_News/US/2022/05/03/protesters-Supreme-Court-draft-overturning-Roe-Wade/5131651546703/

Protesting will do no good, they have already decided.



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03 May 2022, 1:24 am

In 1992, an attempt to overturn Roe failed at a late stage because Justice Kennedy withdrew his support at a late stage. There is still room for this to change.

Failing that:

- vote, and encourage others to. Ask your local Democratic Party how you can support their campaigning and get-out-the-vote organisation
- seriously, this is probably the only way that the Democrats stand a chance of gaining seats in the midterms.
- with a stronger majority, the Democrats need to start playing as dirtily as the Republicans. Unlikely they’d be able to impeach the partisan judges, but they can certainly pack the court with competent judges. They wouldn’t even need to appoint extremists like the Republicans do, just appoint competent judges on merit who will defend the constitution.
- meanwhile, statehood for DC and Puerto Rico should be a priority to redress the imbalance between urban and rural states
- pass ambitious federal laws on voting rights which put an end to gerrymandering, among other things
- if possible, pass a federal law linking highway funding to abortion access. If you try to restrict abortion, you have to pay for the upkeep of federal roads in your state.



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03 May 2022, 4:27 am

The_Walrus wrote:
the Democrats need to start playing as dirtily as the Republicans


Tim_Tex wrote:
Protesting will do no good, they have already decided.


Protesting? This is an insurrection. This is a direct attack on American democracy and the legal system and the darkest day in American history. Americans must petition their representatives to come down hard on these anti-American terrorists.


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03 May 2022, 9:43 am

It may take an insurrection by the left to save Roe v Wade.

This is what happens when you let men have opinions on abortion. We know they form most of the opposition to it.



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03 May 2022, 9:49 am

Mikah wrote:
Protesting? This is an insurrection. This is a direct attack on American democracy and the legal system and the darkest day in American history. Americans must petition their representatives to come down hard on these anti-American terrorists.
Sarcasm noted.



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03 May 2022, 9:51 am

This is another instance of old, conservative men deciding what women can and cannot do with their bodies.  Sure, there are women on the Supreme Court; but I have to wonder if any were intimidated into going along with the men's decision.



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03 May 2022, 9:53 am

Fnord wrote:
This is another instance of old, conservative men deciding what women can and cannot do with their bodies.  Sure, there are women on the Supreme Court; but I have to wonder if any were intimidated into going along with the men's decision.


Barrett was probably the only one. Sotomayor and Kagan are both pro-abortion, and Brown-Jackson hasn't been sworn in yet.



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03 May 2022, 9:54 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
Fnord wrote:
This is another instance of old, conservative men deciding what women can and cannot do with their bodies.  Sure, there are women on the Supreme Court; but I have to wonder if any were intimidated into going along with the men's decision.
Barrett was probably the only one. Sotomayor and Kagan are both pro-abortion, and Brown-Jackson hasn't been sworn in yet.
Conservative male majority = Conservative male agenda.



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03 May 2022, 10:19 am

I know of quite a lot of conservative females who are against abortion too. So the question is, is the conservative agenda worse or better than the liberal agenda?



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03 May 2022, 10:42 am

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I know of quite a lot of conservative females who are against abortion too. So the question is, is the conservative agenda worse or better than the liberal agenda?
That depends on whether you are more interested in the right to own slaves or the right to have an abortion.



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03 May 2022, 10:54 am



An 'Old Testament God' oF Old That And Or Who or 'Him' With Expertise in "Stoning Women"
Raises 'His' Evil Head Once Again And Hisses in the Most Supreme of Courts in the United States...

True, 'He' Comes in the Form of the Ignorance of 'Justice' Alito too...

Yet These Days 'The Stoning' is Slow And Horrible Torture For the
Young Women Who are Trafficked And The Young Daughters Who
are Violently Raped By Fathers, Other "Close" Family Members,
And Friends of the Family of Course too as Research Shows

Rape is Most Often
At the Hand of
Someone Now

Who is Already
Well Acquainted With
The Victim; Yes, At Hand or
Whatever Other Body Part is
Used to Rape And Sexually Abuse;

Yes, Not Only Will They Suffer the Violent
Abuse and Rape They May Be Forced into Carrying
What Feels So Much Like Evil Spawn to Birth, if they

Don't Commit Suicide First Or Seek a Back Alley Abortion
As False Palm Forest Thick Ignorance Shows Countries Where

Abortion is Illegal Have Just As Many Illegal and Unsafe Abortions
As Compared to Countries That Are Not Third World and Still More

First World and Civilized With Empathy And Compassion for the Most Vulnerable
And Marginalized in Society; Yes, Little Girls Who Are Trafficked And Raped in the

Home or Church
Or Wherever

it Happens

When the Ones they
Should Be Able to Trust
With Unconditional Love the
Most Are Instead Callous And
Selfish for Only Self-Gratification
Treating Them Like Only Objects and

Tools to Be Used for Aggression, Violence, And Rape This way;

Just Another Way of 'Kicking The Dog' when 'Big Daddy' Has A Bad Day...

As The Church Crowd Recently Celebrated When the Rights of these Young
Women Not to Be Stoned Slowly, the Rest of their Life This way, Were taken away

After 15 Weeks; Yet of Course if the Old Testament God in Supreme Court Justice
Robes of Alito Has His Way With His Cronies At Hand, Florida Will Likely Erase the 15 Month
Allowance And if Women Are Lucky They Will Be Able to Still End a Pregnancy that Physically

Threatens their life;

Of Course the Ignorant

Don't Understand And Act
with Empathy and Compassion
For the Slow Torture of Suffering
That Can, May, And Will Be lifelong indeed...

The Only Good News is Not unlike Before 1973, We Weren't
Exactly A Third World Country; Yet Again We Will In Effect With
This Measure of Inhumane Suffering Be A Country Comprised

of Somewhere Around Half of Third World States; 60 Percent of
Floridians Oppose this As Do Close to the Average Polling Numbers

of the Country AS Whole; So Why Does 37 to 39 Percent of the Rest
Get the Majority Rule; Well, This is A Representative Democracy; if the

Majority Doesn't

All Vote the

Minority that Does Rules;

Every Vote Counts; Perhaps those

Who Don't Have the Attention Span or

The Motivation or Even the Desire to Vote

Will Change Their Ways if Enough Pain Comes Their way...

It Would Be Nice if Folks Would Do This; Yet Let's Face Facts

As Science Shows the Human Condition at Core is Just Not Rational

And The State of Affairs of the United States in the Last Several Years

Proves this

By Any

Reasonable Doubt...

Verdict to Date, the United States AS Whole
Is Becoming More Ignorant As Real Pandemic
As Days Grow Cold

More Callous

And More

Psychopathic
Numb to the
Suffering of Others
Who Are Most Vulnerable
And Marginalized Now And Frigging Breathing;

Where The Wannabe Theocracy of this Country
Falls AND FAiLS is For the Sanctity of Breathing Life From
Pandemic Rules to Save the Most Vulnerable in Church to the Little

Girls

Abused
And Raped by 'HIM'.

Yeah, Yeah, Alito Found His
Legal Loop Holes to in Effect allow
The Suffering And Torturing of
Little Raped Girls to Go on and Continue; So,

Get And Out and Vote And Help Legislate it or Don't;

We Get The Government And the Country We Vote For or

Perhaps

We Get

No Country at
All in the Long Term at Least
If We Stay at Home And Sit
on our Butts For Freedom
to continue to Wave
as Real Flag

for All

Breathing
Humans Indeed...

"Countries in which abortion is completely illegal/prohibited:

Abortion is completely illegal in the following countries: Andorra, Aruba (territory), Republic of the Congo, Curaçao (territory), Dominican Republic, Egypt, El Salvador, Haiti, Honduras, Iraq, Jamaica, Laos, Madagascar, Malta, Mauritania, Nicaragua, Palau, Philippines, San Marino, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Suriname, Tonga, and West Bank & Gaza Strip (Palestinian territories). Note: This is a list of countries in which abortion has been completely prohibited. For a more complete and detailed list of countries and their various legal stances on abortion, see the table further down the page.

The real-world impact of making abortion illegal

According to data from the World Health Organization (WHO), the legality of abortion across the world actually has little to no effect on abortion rates throughout the world. Legal or not, abortions can, will, and do take place. The legality of abortion, however, does affect how safe those abortions are. Women who do not have access to a legal abortion frequently turn to illegal or "homemade" abortion options, which are typically much riskier, more dangerous, and less effective than legal options conducted by professional doctors in a clinical setting would be."

https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... is-illegal



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03 May 2022, 12:02 pm

John Roberts calls release of draft Roe v. Wade reversal a 'singular and egregious breach' of trust and orders an investigation

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Chief Justice John Roberts says the Supreme Court will investigate the release of a draft opinion that would strike down Roe v. Wade and called the episode "a singular and egregious breach" of trust.

"This was a singular and egregious breach of that trust that is an affront to the Court and the community of public servants who work here. I have directed the Marshal of the Court to launch an investigation into the source of the leak," Roberts said in a statement Tuesday.

"To the extent this betrayal of the confidences of the Court was intended to undermine the integrity of our operations, it will not succeed," Roberts said. "The work of the Court will not be affected in any way. We at the Court are blessed to have a workforce -- permanent employees and law clerks alike -- intensely loyal to the institution and dedicated to the rule of law. Court employees have an exemplary and important tradition of respecting the confidentiality of the judicial process and upholding the trust of the Court."

The court's public affairs office confirmed the document published by Politico is "authentic," but stressed that "it does not represent a decision by the Court or the final position of any member on the issues in the case."

The draft opinion's leak sent shockwaves through Washington, with the news of the potential overturning of Roe drawing outrage from Democrats that rivaled the anger expressed by Republicans over the breach of the high court's secrecy norms.

President Joe Biden said Tuesday that a woman's right to have an abortion is "fundamental" following Politico's report, and urged Congress to pass legislation codifying Roe, which was decided in 1973 and established a constitutional right to abortion before fetal viability.

"Roe has been the law of the land for almost fifty years, and basic fairness and the stability of our law demand that it not be overturned," he said in a statement.

Congressional Democrats issued similar statements Tuesday related to the draft opinion, but their counterparts zeroed in on the purported leak, blasting the move as an effort to change the court's final decision in the matter.

"Somebody, likely somebody inside the court itself, leaked a confidential internal draft to the press, almost certainly in an effort to stir up an inappropriate pressure campaign to sway an outcome," Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said in remarks on the Senate floor. The Kentucky Republican also called for a probe into the leak.

Following the publication of the draft late Monday, protesters descended on areas outside the Supreme Court and have remained there through Tuesday afternoon. Many have held signs in support of abortion rights, and the crowd has occasionally chanted in opposition to the draft ruling, including by saying: "Hey, hey, ho, ho, Samuel Alito's gotta go," and "Abortion rights are under attack, what do we do, stand up fight back."


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03 May 2022, 2:50 pm

Now does everybody understand why I'm trying to move to Seattle?!?!?!

I guarantee WA, CA, and NY aren't passing 6-week bounty hunter abortion bans.



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03 May 2022, 2:56 pm

^I wouldn't do anything foolish-----since it is highly unlikely that you will have to get an abortion :P

Seriously....it's not dead in the water yet. There have been judges, even conservative ones, who have ultimately voted on a jurisprudential basis, rather than a political basis.



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03 May 2022, 4:51 pm

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Now does everybody understand why I'm trying to move to Seattle?!?!?!


Yes, but don't move to Portland.


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03 May 2022, 6:39 pm

A Running List of Theories About the Supreme Court Leaker

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It was a leak from the right to stop Kavanaugh from defecting
It’s designed to make the ruling as drastic as possible
It’s a leak from the left to influence Roberts
It was Roberts
It’s designed to blunt the liberal reaction to the final decision — or serve as a distraction


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