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25 May 2022, 10:16 am

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It has never been proven that video game violence causes real world violence.


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Tracking children and teens in two countries — Japan and the United States — Craig Anderson and his colleagues found evidence that kids who play violent video games are more likely to admit to aggressive behavior in the real world. This was true even after controlling for initial levels of aggression (Anderson et al 2008).

And researchers in Germany found that teenagers who spent more time playing violent video games at the beginning of a study were more likely to have committed acts of physical aggression 30 months later. By contrast, teenagers who were more physically violent at the beginning of the study were not more likely to play violent video games 30 months later (Möller and Krahé 2009).
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What happened?

The kids, who were tested in pairs, almost always found the guns. About half the kids touched a gun, and one third of them pulled the trigger at least once. In these respects, kids didn’t differ by condition.

But there was a worrying outcome that did differ by condition — whether kids pulled the trigger while pointing the gun at someone.

Compared with kids in the non-violent condition, kids who had played the gun version of Minecraft were 18 times more likely to pull the trigger at either themselves or their companion.

By contrast, kids who had played the sword version of Minecraft did not show an increased likelihood to pull the trigger at a person (Chang and Bushman 2019).
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The source article reports on science which indicates and science which dis-indicates causal effect, but there is that some science does indicate some connected effect.
https://parentingscience.com/violent-video-games/


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25 May 2022, 10:32 am

Here are some facts I have gleaned from credible news sources (e.g., AP, Newsweek, Reuters, UPI, et cetera) regarding the shooter:

• He was a student at Uvalde High School.

• He had stopped attending school regularly.

• He was enraged over his failure to graduate high school.

• He had recently posted online photos of guns he had bought not long after his 18th birthday.

• He mostly kept to himself, and did not really socialize with the others.

• He once repeatedly slashed his own face with knives "for fun".

• He played video games and basketball.

• He had experienced severe bullying.

• He had a fractured home life.

• He had moved into his grandmother's house following a break-down in the relationship with his mother.

• He had a speech impediment; he lisped and stuttered.

• He was often the subject of homophobic slurs.

Picking out just one thing in complete disregard of the others now makes less sense.



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25 May 2022, 10:43 am

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Here are some facts I have gleaned from credible news sources (e.g., AP, Newsweek, Reuters, UPI, et cetera) regarding the shooter:
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Picking out just one thing in complete disregard of the others now makes less sense.


That background sure has a 'perfect storm' feel to it. :(


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25 May 2022, 10:47 am

In this article it’s mentioned that he shared photos of animal abuse.
https://abc7.com/elementary-school-shoo ... /11893076/

The Buffalo shooter also was itto animal abuse.
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/buffalo-m ... d=84776450

They usually start with animals and move up to people.


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25 May 2022, 11:36 am

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One consistent factor in most mass shootings is the killer is usually a teenager or close to it. I fully expected what I read; "The suspect was an 18-year-old male". So what's causing these kids to go on shooting sprees? Other info makes this look very similar to Sandy Hook. Tragic doesn't begin to describe it. I wonder if like others he exhibited warning signs and or left warning messages.


Do you think video games play a role? I do.


It has never been proven that video game violence causes real world violence.


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Broadly, researchers have not found any connection between violent video games and violent behavior. The policy statement of the American Psychological Association (APA) related to video games states "Scant evidence has emerged that makes any causal or correlational connection between playing violent video games and actually committing violent activities."

[...]

Christopher Ferguson, a professor at Stetson University and a member of the APA, has researched the connection between violent video games and violent behavior for years. Through longitudinal studies, he has concluded that "[t]here’s not evidence of a correlation, let alone a causation" between video games and violence. Ferguson's more recent studies have shown that there is no predictive behavior that can be inferred from the playing of violent video games.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_video_games#Studies

The desire to link the cause of violence to some external media source has been present for some time, whether Comic books in the 1950's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_video_games#Before_video_games), or radio shows in the 1940's:
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The case drew a lot of media attention — partly because of the shocking nature of the murder, but also because McKenzie was not alone in his disapproval of the types of programs Mr Johnson listened to.

There was continuing controversy in the media over horror radio shows, also known as thrillers, National Film and Sound Archive assistant curator Chris Arneil says.

Critics of horror shows blamed them for youth crime and claimed they had a dangerous effect on children.

"It's analogous to video games today," Mr Arneil says.

Source: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-01/newly-released-files-give-insight-into-murder-over-horror-radio/100697004


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25 May 2022, 12:09 pm

Sometimes you really don't want to be the world record holder.

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Education Week, which uses a different metric, reports there have been 27 school shootings in 2022. The outlet tracks shootings on K-12 school property or on a school bus that resulted in firearm-related injuries or deaths and occurred while school is in session or during a school-sponsored event.

Just last month, a gunman targeted and fired more than 200 shots toward Edmund Burke School in Washington, D.C., injuring one student and three adults.

Indiscriminate attacks at a school, where the shooter targeted random victims with the intent to kill or injure as many as possible, make up a small portion of more than 2,000 school shooting incidents since 1970, Riedman said. Most are disputes that escalate into shootings, he said.
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In 2020, firearms became the leading cause of death among children and teenagers in the U.S., overtaking motor vehicle accidents, according to recent research using data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

That's a uniquely American phenomenon. Children and teens in the U.S. are 15 times more likely to die from gunfire than their peers in 31 other high-income countries combined, according to the Children’s Defense Fund.

"Children in the United States are subject to gun violence at rates that would be unthinkable in other similar situation countries," said Josh Horwitz, co-director of the Center for Gun Violence Solutions at the Johns Hopkins University Bloomberg School of Public Health.
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https://news.yahoo.com/not-just-uvalde- ... 47798.html


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25 May 2022, 1:18 pm

Sure, violent imagery -- whether in comic books, television programs, theatrical releases, or video games -- may influence one's methods of crisis management; but one does not automatically become a psychopathic killing machine from engaging in these sorts of entertainment.  There are always other factors involved, like maybe being born with a psychopathic brain.



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25 May 2022, 1:21 pm

Fnord wrote:
Here are some facts I have gleaned from credible news sources (e.g., AP, Newsweek, Reuters, UPI, et cetera) regarding the shooter:

• He was a student at Uvalde High School.

• He had stopped attending school regularly.

• He was enraged over his failure to graduate high school.

• He had recently posted online photos of guns he had bought not long after his 18th birthday.

• He mostly kept to himself, and did not really socialize with the others.

• He once repeatedly slashed his own face with knives "for fun".

• He played video games and basketball.

• He had experienced severe bullying.

• He had a fractured home life.

• He had moved into his grandmother's house following a break-down in the relationship with his mother.

• He had a speech impediment; he lisped and stuttered.

• He was often the subject of homophobic slurs.

Picking out just one thing in complete disregard of the others now makes less sense.

Any truth to the comments on Twitter and FB that the shooter was trans? :o



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25 May 2022, 1:24 pm

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Any truth to the comments on Twitter and FB that the shooter was trans? :o
If it originated on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, or any other social media platform, then the most likely answer is 'No'.



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25 May 2022, 2:02 pm

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How can being both a "Pro-Life" and a "Pro-Gun" state like Texas make any sense?


How can one be in favour of abortions but against school shootings? Answer this silly question seriously and you'll simultaneously answer your own.


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25 May 2022, 2:05 pm

If the shooter was "trans," so what?

He still killed a bunch of people.



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25 May 2022, 2:07 pm

Mikah wrote:
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How can being both a "Pro-Life" and a "Pro-Gun" state like Texas make any sense?
How can one be in favour of abortions but against school shootings? Answer this silly question seriously and you'll simultaneously answer your own.
I believe that every woman has the right to prioritize what happens to her body without approval or interference from men, that gun ownership is every American's right, and that responsible gun ownership is a duty.

How does that jibe with your claim?



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25 May 2022, 2:12 pm

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If the shooter was "trans," so what?

He still killed a bunch of people.

The far right would likely latch onto it like a rabid dog. If the recent SCOTUS leak is any indication, it would be a major setback for LGBTQ rights :(



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25 May 2022, 2:24 pm

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kraftiekortie wrote:
If the shooter was "trans," so what?  He still killed a bunch of people.
The far right would likely latch onto it like a rabid dog. If the recent SCOTUS leak is any indication, it would be a major setback for LGBTQ rights.
According to  This Newsweek Article  this has already happened:

Hundreds of social media posts have speculated about the identity of Salvador Ramos, 18, some of which claimed he was transgender without reliable evidence.

Multiple tweets, many of which have since been deleted, included photos claimed to be of Ramos wearing feminine clothing; these narratives were subsequently picked up by conspiracy media, including InfoWars and some politicians including Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ), who later deleted the tweet.


Also:

The Washington Post claims to have spoken to former classmates of Ramos who told the paper he was bullied for having a stutter and a strong lisp.  They also claim he posted a photo of himself wearing black eyeliner "which brought on a slew of comments using a derogatory term for a gay person."

However, the report does not state or even suggest Ramos was transgender -- there is no verifiable evidence elsewhere to support this either.

The very fact that social media posts were made within hours of the shooting, some of which evidently used photos appropriated from elsewhere, demonstrates just how unreliable these "hot off the press" responses are, and how tragic events can be weaponized to fuel false narratives and hate speech.



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25 May 2022, 2:43 pm



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25 May 2022, 3:27 pm

Honestly I don't get how sensitive this topic is because to me another school shooting is just another crime incident and naming the shooter is no different than naming other killers and rapists and other criminals.

I notice most shooters have been men and most of them tend to be teenagers and in our entire history of school shooting, only one has been a woman and she was 30.

I also notice that every school shooting seems to have a mental illness or a history of it or a mental health issue. On reddit, there was a thread where people wanted to pretend a mental illness has nothing to do with it. I get they want to stop the stigma on it but pretending that there are no people with mental illnesses that do violent crimes isn't going to help either. I also think you are more likely to do one if your condition goes untreated. But I will say most people with mental illnesses don't commit violent crimes and statistics have proven that. The ones who do always end up in the media. Those are the small percentages of them doing it.


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