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09 Jun 2022, 7:02 am

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Nutters everywhere. Just more attracted to the GOP at the moment. Like flies to...


Honey, bug zappers, dog feces?


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09 Jun 2022, 8:39 am

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The world may go "kablam", but it doesn't change the fact that the problem of mass shootings is the result of mental illness. 8)




Yawn, Let's Use Common Sense/Feel, in A Nation,
'A Party' With A 'Well Being' to Re-Elect A Dude that
Both the Republican Senate Majority Leader at That
Point in History and the Minority Leader of the House

(IF that Doesn't Work THere is Mini-me-TRumP-DeSaTaNiS)

Both Admitted That Trump Was Practically Responsible
For a Deadly Insurrection in an Attempt to Overthrow an
Integral Part of Our Representative Democracy, Obviously,

When the Majority of that Party Has No More 'Well Being' Than
That It's
Surely
A Sign
That We Have
an Unwell Country,
No Matter What Label
We Choose to Diagnose

The Condition of the Condition
of Our Country Which is Not Yours
of Course 'Dear Skunk'; It Is those without

Feathered Nests From This Roost Who Get Lost
And Have No Where To Turn, Who Most Often Go

Rogue Without A Home That Feels Like Home to Them

And Again that's
Fostered By the
Condition of the Condition;

'You' Don't Sell Weapons of Mass
Death Like Candy in a store to
18 Year-Old Kids When You Have

A Country Overall With An Unwell Condition of the Condition;

Or You Do And People Randomly Get Killed By Unwell Folks of this Condition.

And as Far As Mental Health Help in Terms of Well Being and Overall Health Care For
The Disenfranchised Among Us; Let's Not Forget About All the Trump States that Refused
to expand Medicaid for those Folks; And Let's Not Forget About the Sweeping Tax Reform

For Welfare For the Corporate Rich,

While Then the 'Republican Regime'
Did Their God Damndest To Remove
Health Care From About 20 MiLLioN
of the Most Disenfranchised of our Populace;

The Only Real Man, Who in that Whole 'Republican
Congregation,' Stood Up Then And Proved He Was
A Real Man With A 'Soul' More than Cold; God YES,


John McCain,

A REAL F iN Hero
Then Practically
An Anti-Trump Then;

Yes, We Have A Sick
Nation Indeed Now;

Yet Many, Many Causal
Factors Are Associated
With Mass Murders And
Most All Studies Agree You

Can't Just Pin-Point it to One
Correlated Factor Like Mental Illness;

And It Would Be Ridiculous to Suggest the
Tool Provided Like Candy over the Counter
At a 'Five And Dime' Doesn't Provide AN Impulsively

Chosen Tool

to Blow the Heads
off Many Kids in a
Shortest Period of
Effort to Create HeLL ON EartH;

Remember THAT Blowing the Heads
off Sweet Little Kids who No Longer
Have the Ability to Sing Nursery Rhymes,

Sadly Replaced Now By a 'Party' Overall That Just Doesn't FreaKiN' Care.

Yet 'We The People Do' as 80 to 90 Percent Support Most of the Gun
Reforms Currently

Proposed

By the
'Other Party'
For Something
Less than Anger and Hate
And the Ignorance that Propagates

Both

to the
Points
of Death
With Little
Kids who
Have Heads Blown Off
By The Condition that
Buys the Tool So Easily
to Bring REAL HeLL ON EartH,

In a Country of TaKinG More Than Giving;
In a Country of Hoarding More Than Sharing;
In A Country of Harming More Than Healing;

In A Country Where 4 Percent of the Global
Population Uses Around 40 Percent of the Earth's Human Resources;

In A Country That Holds the Honor of Close to 40 Percent of Global Pandemic Deaths

AT OVER 1 MiLLioN DEAD, DEAD, DEAD, DEAD, DEAD, SO FORTH SO ON REALLY DEAD;

In A Country That Currently Is Well Ahead of the Rest With Close to 40 Percent of Mass
Murder Shooting Deaths;

Do You Understand
The Condition of the

Condition Yet; Do Open
Your Eyes and See; And to
Be Clear, This isn't Directed at Only You.

And Honestly, it Seems You Live Way too
Far Away to Completely Understand, Feel,
SENSE, And Smell This

OVERALL Condition

Now,

Dear Skunk
With SMiLes;

Skunks Are Lovely
Creatures Compared to 'This Smell;'
This Real Smell of Hell RiSinG ON EartH;

AND CHILDREN ROTTING WITH HEADS BLOWN OFF;

Oh Lord GOD REAL LOVE, my Home Away From Home STill Now...

Mary Had A Little 'Lamb', A Little Lamb, A Little Lamb; Mary Had a Little Lamb,

Until 'They' All Stood Around While 'The Others Blew' Her Head off With an AR-15;

Not Sure IF

'THAT Lamb'

Ever Even Existed 'Here'...

Maybe Just An Empty
Dream or Prayer it Seems;

OTHER THAN That Have A
Nice Day 'Down Under' HeaR With SMiLes..:)



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09 Jun 2022, 5:20 pm

2019 - 417 mass shootings
2020 - 610 mass shootings
2021 - 692 mass shootings
June 1 2022 - 246 mass shootings
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/15/10990085 ... lly-number

I listen to GOP podcasters and they blame it all on inner city gang violence (usual scapegoat) so they are not going to listen to reason even when the shooters are erstwhile normal white suburban teens .



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09 Jun 2022, 5:26 pm

^ Depends on how the data is compiled. The typical neighborhood shootings in Chicago fit the criteria.
Obviously that number isn't just school shootings.



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09 Jun 2022, 5:52 pm

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Gun control legislation is not going to pass Congress. Even if it did, guns would be obtained illegally or something else would be used. We would go from shootings to stabbings and bombings.

If we want to address the underlying problems, we need to greatly increase the availability of mental healthcare. Schools need to be better equipped to prevent bullying. Put mental health professionals in every school. Parents might need to be straight-up forced into family counselling to address the issues at home that also motivate these killers. School counselors can only do so much when emotionally neglectful parents refuse to do anything to address their children's mental health needs.

But neither party is going to vote for things because that costs Taxpayer Money (horrors! Horror upon horrors!) And both parties would rather do nothing than goes against the capitalist propaganda they have spoon-fed to their constituents for the last 150+ years. Parents would rather risk their children dying than spend Taxpayer Money on real solutions to the causes of this problem.

Why spend it on that when you can, I don't know, spend the money on an addition to your home? Or growing a business? Or a vacation or car? Or whatever these self-important capitalist morons think is a better use of their money bc Taxation is Eeeeeeevil. The government being used by the public as a means of addressing these issues is heretical to the Standard American Capitalist Taxpayer.

(Disclaimer that I say all this as a pro-gun anarcho-socialist. The government is awful but we can still force it to do things that benefit the public.)

Either find a solution and be willing to actually pay taxes for that solution or risk losing your guns to a narrow-sighted Democrat congressional majority. Your choice.



I pay my taxes, but once they are in the hands of politicians I have no say over how the money is spent. The GOP is simply the only substantial party available with which to fight the Democrats. I'm not for sending millions to Ukraine, I'm for using that money to pay armed guards to protect our kids. The Democrats are in office, Biden is okaying all the money being spent. I don't see him writing up any EO's for emergency protection for the kids. It's well within his power to declare a state of emergency.


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09 Jun 2022, 5:56 pm

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Danielson's killing was the first time in over 26 years that a self-identified anti-fascist activist had been charged with homicide.
In 2021
Antifa = 1
Right wingers = 26
https://www.adl.org/resources/press-rel ... g-majority

Antifa wins


No progressive can say the left hasn't killed anyone, anymore.
I will be watching you. 8)


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09 Jun 2022, 6:46 pm

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roronoa79 wrote:
Gun control legislation is not going to pass Congress. Even if it did, guns would be obtained illegally or something else would be used. We would go from shootings to stabbings and bombings.

If we want to address the underlying problems, we need to greatly increase the availability of mental healthcare. Schools need to be better equipped to prevent bullying. Put mental health professionals in every school. Parents might need to be straight-up forced into family counselling to address the issues at home that also motivate these killers. School counselors can only do so much when emotionally neglectful parents refuse to do anything to address their children's mental health needs.

But neither party is going to vote for things because that costs Taxpayer Money (horrors! Horror upon horrors!) And both parties would rather do nothing than goes against the capitalist propaganda they have spoon-fed to their constituents for the last 150+ years. Parents would rather risk their children dying than spend Taxpayer Money on real solutions to the causes of this problem.

Why spend it on that when you can, I don't know, spend the money on an addition to your home? Or growing a business? Or a vacation or car? Or whatever these self-important capitalist morons think is a better use of their money bc Taxation is Eeeeeeevil. The government being used by the public as a means of addressing these issues is heretical to the Standard American Capitalist Taxpayer.

(Disclaimer that I say all this as a pro-gun anarcho-socialist. The government is awful but we can still force it to do things that benefit the public.)

Either find a solution and be willing to actually pay taxes for that solution or risk losing your guns to a narrow-sighted Democrat congressional majority. Your choice.



I pay my taxes, but once they are in the hands of politicians I have no say over how the money is spent. The GOP is simply the only substantial party available with which to fight the Democrats. I'm not for sending millions to Ukraine, I'm for using that money to pay armed guards to protect our kids. The Democrats are in office, Biden is okaying all the money being spent. I don't see him writing up any EO's for emergency protection for the kids. It's well within his power to declare a state of emergency.


The Democrats are the ones providing a social safety net, who don't blame poor people for being poor, for supporting civil rights for all - are anti-racist - are anti-homophobe, who are pro-science - don't deny the validity of disease for political gain, and promote common sense gun control that actually would protect our children. That's why I support the Dems.


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09 Jun 2022, 6:58 pm

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The Democrats are the ones providing a social safety net, who don't blame poor people for being poor, for supporting civil rights for all - are anti-racist - are anti-homophobe, who are pro-science - don't deny the validity of disease for political gain, and promote common sense gun control that actually would protect our children. That's why I support the Dems.


^^^ this makes perfect sense.



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09 Jun 2022, 6:59 pm

Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Danielson's killing was the first time in over 26 years that a self-identified anti-fascist activist had been charged with homicide.
In 2021
Antifa = 1
Right wingers = 26
https://www.adl.org/resources/press-rel ... g-majority

Antifa wins


No progressive can say the left hasn't killed anyone, anymore.
I will be watching you. 8)


Depends whom you call "left"



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09 Jun 2022, 7:01 pm

r00tb33r wrote:
^ Depends on how the data is compiled. The typical neighborhood shootings in Chicago fit the criteria.
Obviously that number isn't just school shootings.


The thread is about mass shootings (not just schools or inner city gangs) and if you look at the MO of nearly all the mass shooters they are middle class and have no priors.



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09 Jun 2022, 7:07 pm

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Persephone29 wrote:
roronoa79 wrote:
Gun control legislation is not going to pass Congress. Even if it did, guns would be obtained illegally or something else would be used. We would go from shootings to stabbings and bombings.

If we want to address the underlying problems, we need to greatly increase the availability of mental healthcare. Schools need to be better equipped to prevent bullying. Put mental health professionals in every school. Parents might need to be straight-up forced into family counselling to address the issues at home that also motivate these killers. School counselors can only do so much when emotionally neglectful parents refuse to do anything to address their children's mental health needs.

But neither party is going to vote for things because that costs Taxpayer Money (horrors! Horror upon horrors!) And both parties would rather do nothing than goes against the capitalist propaganda they have spoon-fed to their constituents for the last 150+ years. Parents would rather risk their children dying than spend Taxpayer Money on real solutions to the causes of this problem.

Why spend it on that when you can, I don't know, spend the money on an addition to your home? Or growing a business? Or a vacation or car? Or whatever these self-important capitalist morons think is a better use of their money bc Taxation is Eeeeeeevil. The government being used by the public as a means of addressing these issues is heretical to the Standard American Capitalist Taxpayer.

(Disclaimer that I say all this as a pro-gun anarcho-socialist. The government is awful but we can still force it to do things that benefit the public.)

Either find a solution and be willing to actually pay taxes for that solution or risk losing your guns to a narrow-sighted Democrat congressional majority. Your choice.



I pay my taxes, but once they are in the hands of politicians I have no say over how the money is spent. The GOP is simply the only substantial party available with which to fight the Democrats. I'm not for sending millions to Ukraine, I'm for using that money to pay armed guards to protect our kids. The Democrats are in office, Biden is okaying all the money being spent. I don't see him writing up any EO's for emergency protection for the kids. It's well within his power to declare a state of emergency.


The Democrats are the ones providing a social safety net, who don't blame poor people for being poor, for supporting civil rights for all - are anti-racist - are anti-homophobe, who are pro-science - don't deny the validity of disease for political gain, and promote common sense gun control that actually would protect our children. That's why I support the Dems.


And every single Republican is against these things? :scratch:
I had no idea. 8O
Got it. :thumright: <facetiousness>

BTW, I hate to tell you this, but there is evidence that progressives possess guns also. :wink:


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Also, as George Carlin said, "I have no stake in the outcome." I'll stick around for the comedy.

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09 Jun 2022, 7:09 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Danielson's killing was the first time in over 26 years that a self-identified anti-fascist activist had been charged with homicide.
In 2021
Antifa = 1
Right wingers = 26
https://www.adl.org/resources/press-rel ... g-majority

Antifa wins


No progressive can say the left hasn't killed anyone, anymore.
I will be watching you. 8)


Depends whom you call "left"


Those who have a left-wing bias, silly. :wink:


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Also, as George Carlin said, "I have no stake in the outcome." I'll stick around for the comedy.

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09 Jun 2022, 7:52 pm

Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
roronoa79 wrote:
Gun control legislation is not going to pass Congress. Even if it did, guns would be obtained illegally or something else would be used. We would go from shootings to stabbings and bombings.

If we want to address the underlying problems, we need to greatly increase the availability of mental healthcare. Schools need to be better equipped to prevent bullying. Put mental health professionals in every school. Parents might need to be straight-up forced into family counselling to address the issues at home that also motivate these killers. School counselors can only do so much when emotionally neglectful parents refuse to do anything to address their children's mental health needs.

But neither party is going to vote for things because that costs Taxpayer Money (horrors! Horror upon horrors!) And both parties would rather do nothing than goes against the capitalist propaganda they have spoon-fed to their constituents for the last 150+ years. Parents would rather risk their children dying than spend Taxpayer Money on real solutions to the causes of this problem.

Why spend it on that when you can, I don't know, spend the money on an addition to your home? Or growing a business? Or a vacation or car? Or whatever these self-important capitalist morons think is a better use of their money bc Taxation is Eeeeeeevil. The government being used by the public as a means of addressing these issues is heretical to the Standard American Capitalist Taxpayer.

(Disclaimer that I say all this as a pro-gun anarcho-socialist. The government is awful but we can still force it to do things that benefit the public.)

Either find a solution and be willing to actually pay taxes for that solution or risk losing your guns to a narrow-sighted Democrat congressional majority. Your choice.



I pay my taxes, but once they are in the hands of politicians I have no say over how the money is spent. The GOP is simply the only substantial party available with which to fight the Democrats. I'm not for sending millions to Ukraine, I'm for using that money to pay armed guards to protect our kids. The Democrats are in office, Biden is okaying all the money being spent. I don't see him writing up any EO's for emergency protection for the kids. It's well within his power to declare a state of emergency.


The Democrats are the ones providing a social safety net, who don't blame poor people for being poor, for supporting civil rights for all - are anti-racist - are anti-homophobe, who are pro-science - don't deny the validity of disease for political gain, and promote common sense gun control that actually would protect our children. That's why I support the Dems.


And every single Republican is against these things? :scratch:
I had no idea. 8O
Got it. :thumright: <facetiousness>

BTW, I hate to tell you this, but there is evidence that progressives possess guns also. :wink:


Collectively as a party - to one extent or another - yes.


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09 Jun 2022, 8:09 pm

Did anyone ever think that this might be a good method to create a divisive atmosphere in the country to cause the effect of reinforcing a right against left political divide . It is. Obvious that the government is not addressing the real issues and using the media to push public hot buttons. Multiple Gun killings by handguns have been going on since even before the Wild West six shooters .. There is no end to where gun or some other weapons/ tools to kill multiples of persons . Something feels off. And am suspicious since the dawn of the net people may be thinking things through, especially about political methods . 8O


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09 Jun 2022, 8:36 pm

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Multiple Gun killings by handguns have been going on since even before the Wild West six shooters ..


It's rather sad to draw upon an environment like 1800s California to compare the use of guns.



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Multiple Gun killings by handguns have been going on since even before the Wild West six shooters ..


It's rather sad to draw upon an environment like 1800s California to compare the use of guns.


Is this a critique or are we discussing weapons capable of firing bullits in a very fast manner ?
Hmm. Gatling guns ??? :roll:


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