goldfish21
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11 Aug 2022, 10:08 am
Matrix Glitch wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Because he's guilty af, duh.
We aren't supposed to make such inferences when a criminal case is at issue.
Something I didn't know until some recent research was that in some situations a witness has to either consistently take the 5th, or forfeits the right to use it at all. I don't know if that rule applied here.
One also never knows if the potential self-incrimination relates to the actual case at issue, or some unidentified potential tangent.
Tangents definitely seem to be involved. Otherwise the FBI would have gone in and grabbed the boxes from where their mole told them they were, instead of turning the whole residence upside down to grab anything they could lay their hands on.
I heard on some news clip that it's standard FBI practice to just take everything and go through it and then return all the stuff that was of no interest. Makes sense - why wouldn't they be thorough?
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for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.11 Aug 2022, 6:42 pm
11 Aug 2022, 8:14 pm
goldfish21 wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
In the United States, people are innocent until proven guilty. However that seems to be one of the things that those who currently hold the most political power are trying to change.
Yes, based on the years of investigations, court proceedings etc - they're totally jumping the gun and convicting him without due process.
He's being called guilty before being proven guilty. And he's not the only one.
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12 Aug 2022, 12:56 am
12 Aug 2022, 1:19 am
He must have lost his voice after 4 hours pleading the 5th 
Here's Trump's own words on what he thinks of people who plead the 5th at depositions
One of the greatest liars in the history of the world...yet there's millions of stupid people who put there trust in this man
12 Aug 2022, 11:11 am
cyberdad wrote:
He must have lost his voice after 4 hours pleading the 5th
Here's Trump's own words on what he thinks of people who plead the 5th at depositions
One of the greatest liars in the history of the world...yet there's millions of stupid people who put there trust in this man
Here's Trump's own words on what he thinks of people who plead the 5th at depositions
One of the greatest liars in the history of the world...yet there's millions of stupid people who put there trust in this man
Trust? Only an idiot trusts any politician.
You vote for the candidate who you believe will do the least amount of damage and hopefully toss you a few useful table scraps.
Yes, I’m a cynic
Yes, I’m a pragmatist
Change my mind
goldfish21
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12 Aug 2022, 1:25 pm
Matrix Glitch wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
In the United States, people are innocent until proven guilty. However that seems to be one of the things that those who currently hold the most political power are trying to change.
Yes, based on the years of investigations, court proceedings etc - they're totally jumping the gun and convicting him without due process.
He's being called guilty before being proven guilty. And he's not the only one.
It's extremely difficult not to call the guy guilty of many crimes when the evidence of his guilt is public knowledge. Some of it shared by Michael Cohen, some of it for some crimes in audio/video recordings of trump himself committing the crimes etc. Sure, there's value in court proceedings playing out and criminals being Proven guilty for sentencing.. but when the evidence is already public knowledge, why would you not expect people to call him guilty of various crimes?
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for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.
12 Aug 2022, 1:43 pm
12 Aug 2022, 8:54 pm
12 Aug 2022, 8:56 pm
12 Aug 2022, 9:04 pm
cyberdad wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Trust? Only an idiot trusts any politician.
You vote for the candidate who you believe will do the least amount of damage and hopefully toss you a few useful table scraps.
Yes, I’m a cynic
Yes, I’m a pragmatist
Change my mind
You vote for the candidate who you believe will do the least amount of damage and hopefully toss you a few useful table scraps.
Yes, I’m a cynic
Yes, I’m a pragmatist
Change my mind
what do you define as "damage"?
I find a leader who builds his platform on attacking minorities doing plenty of "damage"
And now he's attacked minorities.
How so, does he not like aunt Jemima pancakes?
Whatev...
F*ck, I cant wait until he beats this rap, gets elected, and investigates the s**t out of Biden and son.
That or he does get sent up the river but President DeSantis does it for him.
12 Aug 2022, 9:37 pm
goldfish21 wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
In the United States, people are innocent until proven guilty. However that seems to be one of the things that those who currently hold the most political power are trying to change.
Yes, based on the years of investigations, court proceedings etc - they're totally jumping the gun and convicting him without due process.
He's being called guilty before being proven guilty. And he's not the only one.
It's extremely difficult not to call the guy guilty of many crimes when the evidence of his guilt is public knowledge. Some of it shared by Michael Cohen, some of it for some crimes in audio/video recordings of trump himself committing the crimes etc. Sure, there's value in court proceedings playing out and criminals being Proven guilty for sentencing.. but when the evidence is already public knowledge, why would you not expect people to call him guilty of various crimes?
Being accused of crimes and being guilty is not the same thing. When he actually ever gets charged with, not to mention actually convicted of, a crime then he will be guilty. Right now he's just at six years of being accused by his enemies.
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