Singapore executes man for helping buy 2 pounds of cannabis

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30 Apr 2023, 11:27 am

^I don’t believe in the death penalty.
I’d probably be afraid to smoke if I was going to be executed, true.
I also don’t view weed as the same as meth.
I see it as a public health crisis.Most people need help ,not prison.The prisons here are also full of drugs.Easier to score in prison really.We have to address why people want to annihilate themselves with hard drugs.
I would have life sentences for people that bring tons of meth and fentanyl in.
Not for small time dealers, most are addicts trying to support their habits.
And then their are the crooked doctors that overprescribe pain killers and benzodiazepines.

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30 Apr 2023, 11:37 am

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^You want weed smokers executed?
So you would have me killed ?If you had the choice?
That’s nice.Very Christian of you.

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But seriously I would have no problem utilising the death penalty for certain parts of the drug trade and while I don't know about capital punishment just for "smoking" and certainly not for the first offence, I'd like punishments to be much harsher than they are. Frankly drug users and their suppliers are such a plague on society that pretty much anything could be justified to me in its defense.

Anyway I don't think I would have to have you hypothetically executed, unless you are clinically stupid. Answer me this: if the death penalty was prescribed for simple possession, would you stop using drugs or would you continue take the risk just to get high?

Just seems like some cancer biased website. Someone could make a shoddy website showing all the crimes committed by drunk people. Or black people. Or white people. In order to "prove" whatever psuedoscientific point.

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30 Apr 2023, 11:43 am

It is the law of the land there. We have no real right to judge what goes on with their internal laws except if it involves a citizen of our country. Even then, they have rights to uphold their laws in the manner they see fit. If you want to complain about it, go do so at the U.N. in New York. That is the reason it was established for.

Personally, the condemned knew the laws in play, yet openly chose to break them. The phrase “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes” comes to mind.

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30 Apr 2023, 11:44 am

Misslizard wrote:

^You want weed smokers executed?
So you would have me killed ?If you had the choice?
That’s nice.Very Christian of you.

I would make you sit in the naughty chair for a bit and then take your stash to be smoked destroyed :jester:

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30 Apr 2023, 11:50 am

Recidivist wrote:

Misslizard wrote:

^You want weed smokers executed?
So you would have me killed ?If you had the choice?
That’s nice.Very Christian of you.

I would make you sit in the naughty chair for a bit and then take your stash to be smoked destroyed :jester:

Right now I have no stash. :cry:

But I will this week when I go to dispensary.Hope the sale is still on.
Vape cartridges for 15$! !
Gonna get me some of that 30% Commerce City Kush bud if they still have it.
Swing by the booze store for some ciders and climb the mountain home.
Wheeeee!!

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30 Apr 2023, 11:55 am

Misslizard wrote:

^I don’t believe in the death penalty.
I’d probably be afraid to smoke if I was going to be executed, true.

A prophylactic approach to crime would work on you then, that is something. I fear we've forgotten that this is the entire point of the justice system - to prevent certain behaviours, due punishment of the offender is a secondary concern.

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I see it as a public health crisis.Most people need help ,not prison.

That is the fashionable view, yes. I think it's a crisis of morals, character and virtue. People don't take drugs because they are poor or miserable - heavy drug usage is seen in every strata of society, most notably at the very top - they do it because they like getting high, the drugs are easily accessible and they don't care what it does to them or their families or anyone else.

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30 Apr 2023, 11:59 am

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Star Trek nonsense. The prime directive garbage rubbed me the wrong way then and it does now.

The bootlicking argument could be used to defend any sort of injustice or tyrannical laws, and just regurgitating to victims that they should just obey the laws or leave. If everyone used the bootlicking argument there would be no sort of social progress ever, people would just say "the law is the law" and not do anything about it.

So if we are cruising in our star trek cruiser and see some dumb ape planet where they do FGM, some politician would say we aren't allowed to improve their society because of some prime directive garbage.

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30 Apr 2023, 12:06 pm

Misslizard wrote:

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^You want weed smokers executed?
So you would have me killed ?If you had the choice?
That’s nice.Very Christian of you.

I would make you sit in the naughty chair for a bit and then take your stash to be smoked destroyed :jester:

Right now I have no stash. :cry:

The common belief is that the absolute physical limit of THC content is 35% but as technology advances there are certain people that are making hybrids that exceed this - the future is scary :jester:

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30 Apr 2023, 12:07 pm

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So if we are cruising in our star trek cruiser and see some dumb ape planet where they do FGM, some politician would say we aren't allowed to improve their society because of some prime directive garbage.

I didn't know we had another left-wing imperialist tankie here. Where have you been hiding?

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30 Apr 2023, 12:13 pm

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	Some posts have already been edited or removed for making attacks - don't give me a reason to remove more. "left-wing imperialist tankie" is clever and all, but it's still using a pejorative label for a WP member.

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30 Apr 2023, 12:24 pm

Mikah wrote:

Misslizard wrote:

^I don’t believe in the death penalty.
I’d probably be afraid to smoke if I was going to be executed, true.

Misslizard wrote:

I see it as a public health crisis.Most people need help ,not prison.

The major of people incarcerated in the US are poor, the very wealthy have better lawyers.
People do take drugs because they are poor and miserable, the same reason some drink to excess.To dull the pain.
Yes, some people do drugs for fun.Some drink for fun, some gamble their life’s saving away at a casino for fun.Never got the casino thing.
I smoke pot for several reasons.I do like the high, and it stops the nightmares , racing thoughts and less joint pain.

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30 Apr 2023, 12:33 pm

QuantumChemist wrote:

Disagree.

Everyone everywhere has the right to judge unjust laws anywhere.

Whether draconian drug policies, or countries with the death penalty for peoples' innate sexual orientations, oppressive morality police/religious extremist laws, or any other total whackjob type laws that should have gone out of style in the 1400's.. if laws are completely unjust, expect the world to be very judgemental of them.

The entire world SHOULD be putting pressure on other countries to level up and bring their societies in line with modern human rights vs. just shrugging our shoulders and saying "Oh well, it's the law of the land. It was her fault for being born with a vagina so of course she should have her clitoris smashed off with a rock and then be made to cover herself from head to toe 24/7 except for when 12 year old she is allowed to stop working and service her 50 year old arranged husband who bought her for a goat. It's all totally legal here so no one should judge it!"

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30 Apr 2023, 12:40 pm

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Unfortunately, this is one of the risks of being in certain countries where the laws may not be as progressive as they could be. I felt really bad for that surfer that went to Indonesia and smugglers put drugs in her bag. She was eventually executed for drug smuggling even though it wasn't clear that she had any knowledge of there being drugs in her bag as opposed to being planted by airport personnel after she checked them.

It doesn't make it particularly right, but until the laws are changed, this sort of thing is the legal consequence of being involved, and the levels of evidence needed vary significantly from country to country.

Name? I did a search and am not aware of female surfers who were actually executed in Indonesia

I guess I got that wrong, either I misremembered, or the article I read was in error. But apparently they did ultimately release Schapelle Corby years back, and she's very much alive in the present time.

I'll edit the previous post to reflect that, although she definitely was in prison for many years over something that she doesn't appear to have actually done, which was the main point. Never mind, I can't edit it now. Sigh, at least I've fixed it here.

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30 Apr 2023, 12:44 pm

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While that site is a collection of news stories mostly, the link between (violent) mental illness and cannabis gets stronger every year, as study builds on study. It's as strong as the link between tobacco and lung cancer was in the 50s and 60s. The most dedicated can still just about claim "correlation not causation" but not for much longer.

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30 Apr 2023, 12:49 pm

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Veritasium said 99% of research is fake but send me the research anyway, I'll take a gander at it. My guess its bought and paid by corporations, corporations don't like weed because small businesses profit from it, and weed also makes workers less productive.

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30 Apr 2023, 12:50 pm

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I disagree, but I don't think there's a way to convince one another. Bad people love excuses for their behaviour, to believe themselves helpless victims in a cruel world and therefore have to take no responsibility for their actions. I robbed that store because I grew up poor your honour. I beat my wife because I had a bad childhood, your honour. I take drugs because I am sad and poor, your honour. It's not my fault I destroyed my health, my life and that of my family's.

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