Singapore executes man for helping buy 2 pounds of cannabis

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That website seems about as credible as Reefer Madness.

Some violent people smoked pot, therefore pot is a scourge that causes violence seems deeply unsubstantiated. At most they've got a case that hey, dope smokers can also be violent criminals, which was never under any doubt.

The research is not difficult to find and I'm not in the mood to find it for you on a pleasant Sunday evening. But I can tell you that you are dead wrong about corporations hating drugs. Big, big money is behind the drive for legalisation, the same sort of people we vilify for selling tobacco - because they want to profit, and don't care about the misery it causes.

It's a little more substantial than a cereal eating/school shooter kind of correlation.
- The violence is most often of a specific kind - sudden, randomly directed and insanely brutal.
- It's often found in people who are long term or heavy users who have no previous history of violence.
- The correlation is not completely out of left field either - much like tobacco problem is not much of a surprise to those with open eyes - inhaling burnt plant matter: causes lung disease. Hmm. While cannabis is a heavily mind altering drug and the correlation suggests it might dangerously and permanently alter the mind, who'd have thought.
- Users will gladly tell you of the extreme paranoia and feelings of persecution the drug may invoke.

It's not a crazy correlation or a leap of logic to wonder if there is a link. Ignore it at your peril, at least for the sake of your own loved ones or pets, if not society as a whole.

In some cases I’m sure people use it for an excuse.I doubt all.I knew a woman that lost two young children tragically.She was not an addict till after that happened.
Then she became a raging one , Xanax, she could never deal with the grief.Perhaps if there wasn’t such a stigma about mental health she might have gotten some help.
She overdosed and died.

Sounds like someone's wound up tight and could use a toke.

If you had any personal experience with cannabis whatsoever you'd be able to see how laughable your statements about it are.

Cannabis doesn't create violent criminals. It creates calm, relaxed, people. If there's a recreational drug responsible for a lot of violence it'd be alcohol, for the most part. Maybe cocaine as it causes some people to be mighty fighty. But not weed.

You are assuming, incorrectly, that I do not. I was not always a reactionary, I was quite the fool in my youth.



This is just untrue. If that site I linked has any use whatsoever, it is in demolishing that myth. Users of cannabis can and do commit absolutely brutal violence, usually against family, every single day, often shortly after consuming a large amount of the drug according to court transcripts and reporters. It is as true to say that about cannabis as it is to say that alcohol creates calm, relaxed, people.

^ goldfish I think this is yet another thread where I can write you off as not worth engaging with.

For those who aren't hopeless, read this recent book for yourself (save reading the attacks on it until afterwards, make up your own mind) :

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tell-Your-Chil ... 1982103663

An eye-opening report from an award-winning author and former New York Times reporter reveals the link between teenage marijuana use and mental illness, and a hidden epidemic of violence caused by the drug—facts the media have ignored as the United States rushes to legalize cannabis.

Recreational marijuana is now legal in nine states. Almost all Americans believe the drug should be legal for medical use. Advocates argue cannabis can help everyone from veterans to cancer sufferers. But legalization has been built on myths– that marijuana arrests fill prisons; that most doctors want to use cannabis as medicine; that it can somehow stem the opiate epidemic; that it is not just harmless but beneficial for mental health. In this meticulously reported book, Alex Berenson, a former New York Times reporter, explodes those myths:

• Almost no one is in prison for marijuana;
• A tiny fraction of doctors write most authorizations for medical marijuana, mostly for people who have already used;
• Marijuana use is linked to opiate and cocaine use. Since 2008, the US and Canada have seen soaring marijuana use and an opiate epidemic. Britain has falling marijuana use and no epidemic;
• Most of all, THC—the chemical in marijuana responsible for the drug’s high—can cause psychotic episodes. After decades of studies, scientists no longer seriously debate if marijuana causes psychosis.

Psychosis brings violence, and cannabis-linked violence is spreading. In the four states that first legalized, murders have risen 25 percent since legalization, even more than the recent national increase. In Uruguay, which allowed retail sales in July 2017, murders have soared this year.

Berenson’s reporting ranges from the London institute that is home to the scientists who helped prove the cannabis-psychosis link to the Colorado prison where a man now serves a thirty-year sentence after eating a THC-laced candy bar and killing his wife. He sticks to the facts, and they are devastating.

With the US already gripped by one drug epidemic, this book will make readers reconsider if marijuana use is worth the risk.

It is a good summary of the anti-legalisation argument.

100% of that is absolutely BONKERS.

If there were any shred of truth to it, the West Coast of Canada would be about the most violent place on Earth instead of the mostly peaceful society that it is. Same same for the West Coast of the USA, as well as ooooh, I dunno - all of Canada where weed has been fully legal for the last 5 years.. and every other place on the planet where people partake if they choose and the world hasn't devolved into reefer madness.

In conclusion: You are dead wrong. Get real. Cannabis is one of the most useful medicines & recreational drugs known to man, and has been for thousands of years. It causes very, Very, little personal or societal harm compared to the most commonly used and abused very socially acceptable drug; alcohol.

That nonsense was either written as satire OR maybe by someone with a financial interest in the alcohol and/or prison industries.

I’d rather buy a fun book.That looks dull and tedious ,and some of the reviews knash it.
I’ve yet to see anyone go beserker on weed.Meth, yes.
Our old sheriff said it used to be when they got called out to a homicide it was usually hard liquor and a woman involved but now it’s meth.
Some people do get paranoia, so maybe they shouldn’t smoke.I don’t smoke sativa because it makes me nervous , hybrids and indica don’t.My doctor agrees, with PTSD sativa strains can make anxiety worse.
Some people get violent when they drink.The prisons have plenty of people who murdered while drunk and people do go to prison for weed possession.I know people that have done hard time for marijuana.Not violent people either, old pacifist type hippies.
One is ninety now and still smoking weed, sharp as a tack and can still get both socks on.

I'm not suggesting that marijuana can't contribute to mental illness in some people, but I don't see anything connecting it to increased violence in a society.

It's not unreasonable to suggest that severe intoxication might interact with existing mental illness, but that's still not the same as pot being the primary factor.

People who become severely paranoid might want to abstain from smoking, just like people who have bad trips might want to avoid psychedelics. Not everyone reacts well to every intoxicant, but that's not a strong case for prohibition.

I have personally dealt with this issue before. Two years ago, I stopped a likely school shooting because I intercepted something that my Teaching Assistant was saying to other students. He was addicted to shattered (the high THC concentrate) extracted from marijuana. Over the summer, he became more and more erratic while helping me in my class. I talked to him about it and he disclosed he was consuming larger and larger amounts of THC. I tried to get him to stop, but he became paranoid that the world was after him. Some of the doses he was taking were above 80 percent THC.

Then on the last class day, he admitted to me that he was going to commit suicide later that day. He also disclosed that he had several people on his hit list to do in before he died. I reported it to campus security and he was located in the process of stalking two people on his list. He was banned from campus and put in a secure mental health facility. He was later released to his mother who is a licensed psychologist. She thanked me for turning him in when I did, as she had lost contact with him during the summer. He has kicked the habit and is now back in school at a different location near her.

I am for the medical use of cannibanoids, but not the recreational use of THC. You do not need to get high on THC to use the plant’s compounds to treat every medical condition. THC use is harmful to a growing fetus. I know that because one of my grand nephews was born with an extremely high level of THC in his blood. He is struggling to survive right now as he was born severely underweight. It will be years before my family knows the full extent of damage to him done by his mother. She should be in jail (along with my nephew) for allowing that to happen to him. I fear that he will have permeant brain damage caused by his mother’s drug usage.

Now, if it happened in your family, would you think the drug is so innocent?

That's not a dose, that's a purity. A dose would be how many mgs he's consuming and with concentrate the whole point is to reduce how much material is smoked. A little bit of concentrate is less bad for one's lung than a large amount of plant matter.



Let's ban alcohol because my cousin has FAS.

Ooh, good one! Or let’s ban alcohol because a drunk driver killed my (would have been older) sister when she was a year old.

Nope - I don’t believe we should. In fact, I just poured myself a bit of a night cap. Alberta Premium Cask Strength over a few ice cubes - a departure from my normal neat drinks.

I was waiting for that point to come up as that is often used as a means to promote legality of other drugs. I am totally fine with an alcohol ban, as I do not consume it (100% allergic). If it got banned for human consumption, I would still have the license to handle it as a solvent in a laboratory setting. The ban would not affect me.

As for the comment on dosage, the THC still caused him to become psychotic and go after people. Not so innocent a drug in my opinion as a chemist...

The same tired point that gets brought up each time THC legality gets questioned. I am fine with an alcohol ban. I am also fine with an all drug ban if it needs to be done to get people off of damaging drugs altogether.