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26 Jul 2023, 9:50 am

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Mr. Leob's claim is bogus.  We know it.  You know it.  And likely Mr. Leob by now knows it, too.

Give it up already.


How do you know it though? Certainty requires faith, Science is simply assigning probabilities to something you do not know for sure.



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26 Jul 2023, 5:42 pm

I will believe that the US government possesses space-alien tech when I am allowed to examine it for myself.

I will believe that space-aliens exist on Earth when I am allowed to meet them in-person and in-situ.

Otherwise, I believe only in the possibility of such things; but also in the possibility that recent news is all part of a massive hoax perpetrated by the US government to keep the rest of us distracted from the fudge-cluster that is the US government.


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26 Jul 2023, 6:32 pm

Not sure if this is revolent , back in the 80s Nasa sponsored a project from a Private High school Engineering class
to create a independant devise not very large in payload size, An experiment . That would be under its own power , with the flip of a switch, a Astronaut to turn the thing on . It went up in one of the Early Shuttles . To prove the idea that a Heated from a solid ....a blob of molten metal , would under " a no gravity" environment , Would Form itself into a spherical shape . As it cools . As a natural consequence of being in such an environment. (Project my older brother was a part of) Am not sure how this might influence the idea of it being made in a other than gravity environment ,(ie. Space). Then if you add the US Space or whatever dept. deemed it other than earth origin ..Then you could leap to conclusions that it could be proof of another intelligence . ?
With ?? idk adequate knowledge to have created it ? Somehow? or all just a coincidence of extreme unknown circumstances? Not fond of Coincidences , but stranger things have happened, I am sure .. :shrug:


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26 Jul 2023, 6:40 pm

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Not sure if this is revolent , back in the 80s Nasa sponsored a project from a Private High school Engineering class
to create a independant devise not very large in payload size, An experiment . That would be under its own power , with the flip of a switch, a Astronaut to turn the thing on . It went up in one of the Early Shuttles . To prove the idea that a Heated from a solid ....a blob of molten metal , would under " a no gravity" environment , Would Form itself into a spherical shape . As it cools . As a natural consequence of being in such an environment. (Project my older brother was a part of) Am not sure how this might influence the idea of it being made in a other than gravity environment ,(ie. Space). Then if you add the US Space or whatever dept. deemed it other than earth origin ..Then you could leap to conclusions that it could be proof of another intelligence . ?
With ?? idk adequate knowledge to have created it ? Somehow? or all just a coincidence of extreme unknown circumstances? Not fond of Coincidences , but stranger things have happened, I am sure .. :shrug:
The 'perfect' ball-bearing can form only in a freefall environment.  Certain chemical reactions are more efficient in freefall, as well.

Coincidence?  No, Science!


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27 Jul 2023, 3:22 am

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but also in the possibility that recent news is all part of a massive hoax perpetrated by the US government to keep the rest of us distracted from the fudge-cluster that is the US government.


I am surprised you would subscribe to a conspiracy theory Fnord to explain the US government's actions??
Isn't that a "low probability" decision?

Discounting odds because they don't fit into your ontology does not mean it isn't happening.
Phenomenology is a valid source of inquiry in psychology and your persistence to ignore the now literally 10s of thousands of witnesses all over the world (whose testimony is reliable) is (in my view) ignoring the data.



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27 Jul 2023, 3:23 am

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We will hear in the next few hours...exciting historic times



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27 Jul 2023, 3:30 am

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domineekee wrote:


We will hear in the next few hours...exciting historic times


I watched it for about an hour, the testimonials seemed convincing. Still just a laod of talk though isn't it?



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27 Jul 2023, 10:10 am

To Qoute a long time well known actor from the series X files (Agent Mulder), I must say"" " I believe""" :shameonyou: :study: :study: ~~~~~~ 8O


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27 Jul 2023, 5:22 pm

Here are the 5 most memorable moments from Congress’ UFO hearing

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Three former military officials told Congress Wednesday that they believe the government knows much more about UFOs than it is telling the public.

A House Oversight subcommittee held a hearing on UFOs — officially known as unidentified aerial phenomena or UAPs — and heard mystifying testimony about unexplained object sightings and government possession of “nonhuman” biological matter.

Lawmakers on the committee, baffled by some of the testimony, repeatedly noted that UAP sightings are an issue of bipartisan concern and raise national security questions. Separately, some accused the federal government of endeavoring to conceal key UFO-related information from the public, though they did not provide evidence to support those allegations.

“The sheer number of reports, whistleblowers and stories of unidentified anomalous phenomena should raise real questions and warrant investigation and oversight. And that’s why we are here today,” Rep. Robert Garcia, the top Democrat on the subcommittee, said in his opening statement. "UAPs, whatever they may be, may pose a serious threat to our military or civilian aircraft. And that must be understood."

These UAP sightings, experts say, might be attributable to balloons, drones, optical illusions or even the blinking lights of a commercial airliner. The Pentagon has said they have seen no evidence linking UAPs to alien activity, though they have not ruled out that explanation.

Here are five of the witnesses' main claims from the hearing:
Government is ‘absolutely’ in possession of UAPs
David Grusch, a former U.S. intelligence official, told the panel that he is “absolutely” certain that the federal government is in possession of UAPs, citing interviews he said he conducted with 40 witnesses over a four-year period.

The former U.S. intelligence official said he led Defense Department efforts to analyze reported UAP sightings and was informed of a “multidecade” Pentagon program that endeavored to collect and reconstruct crashed UAPs.

Asked by Rep. Jared Moskowitz, D-Fla., how such a program is funded, Grusch claimed that the effort is "above congressional oversight" and bankrolled by a "misappropriation of funds."

"Does that mean that there is money in the budget that is set to go to a program but it doesn't and it goes to something else?," Moskowitz asked.

"Yes. I have specific knowledge of that," Grusch said, though he did not provide more details, claiming the information remains classified.

‘Nonhuman biologics’ were found at a crash site
Grusch, who underscored that he has not personally spotted a UAP, told the panel that he knows of "multiple colleagues" who were injured by UAPs. He also said he has interviewed individuals who have recovered "nonhuman biologics" from crashed UAPs.

Grusch said he prefers to use the term "nonhuman" rather than alien or extraterrestrial.

Asked by Rep. Eric Burlison, R-Mo., to substantiate the crashed UAPs claim, the former intelligence official said he could not divulge specific details, once again claiming the information was too sensitive to share with the public.

He did, however, describe the nature of what he saw: "I have to be very careful here ... [but] what I personally witnessed, myself and my wife, was very disturbing."

A Pentagon spokesperson told NBC News that Grusch's claims are false.

Officials must establish a 'safe and transparent reporting process'
Some lawmakers and witnesses pushed the federal government to establish clear channels to communicate UAP information with both the public and the military, and said the military should establish a comprehensive reporting process for unidentified objects sightings.

Ryan Graves, a former Navy pilot, told the panel that military pilots do not feel adequately briefed on UAPs, which he said leaves them unprepared to respond to UAP encounters.

The former Navy pilot claimed that commercial airline pilots have spotted UAPs too.

Stigma associated with sightings 'silences' possible witnesses
Some witnesses and lawmakers at the hearing argued that the stigma associated with reporting UFO sightings — as well as the alleged harassment of those who work to investigate them — may be hindering efforts to determine their origins.

Graves told the panel that stigma "silences" pilots who fear "professional repercussions," which he said is "compounded by recent government claims questioning the credibility of eyewitness testimony."

The Federal Aviation Administration has no mechanism for pilots to report UAPs, and instead directs them to civilian groups that are often dismissed as the domain of cranks and conspiracy theorists.

Those institutional hurdles led Graves to form a first-of-its-kind group that pushes for policy changes, serves as a hub for pilot whistleblowers and advocates for more disclosure by the military and other government agencies.

UFO spotted accelerating to 'supersonic speeds'
David Fravor, a former Navy commander, said he and three fellow military pilots spotted a white Tic-Tac-shaped object in 2004, hovering below their jets and just above the Pacific Ocean.

As he descended to inspect the sighting, he claimed the unidentified aircraft — which he said bore no visible rotors, wings or exhaust — began to ascend and approach his fighter jet.

He claimed that the UAP then vanished, only to reappear a few seconds later, but this time it was spotted 60 miles away.

Fravor told the committee that the technology he and his team encountered defies logical explanation.

"The technology that we faced is far superior to anything that we had," Fravor claimed. "And there’s nothing we can do about it, nothing."


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27 Jul 2023, 8:01 pm

[opinion=mine]

David Grusch is an attention-seeker; only this, and nothing more.

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28 Jul 2023, 2:36 am

Renowned Physicist's Response to UFO Hearing Goes Viral

After Congress' hearing on UFOs and whistleblower David Grusch's claims that the U.S. government has covered up the existence of aliens on Earth, a popular physics professor and science communicator weighed in on Twitter.

Brian Cox, a professor of particle physics at the University of Manchester in the U.K., tweeted on Wednesday:

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"I keep being asked what I make of the UFO thing in Congress yesterday, so here it is: I watched a few clips and saw some people who seemed to believe stuff saying extraordinary things without presenting extraordinary evidence," he said.  Therefore I have nothing more to say, other than: It would be great if true -- it would take a bit of the pressure off our civilization if we weren't the only means within the Milky Way by which the Universe understands itself.  Sadly, as of today, I still feel that pressure, so can we perhaps focus on not messing our world up rather than hoping that, to paraphrase Sagan, someone will float down to save us from ourselves." -- Brian Cox (@ProfBrianCox) July 27, 2023

His tweet was liked more than 17,000 times, garnering 1.5 million views.


Source:  This Newsweek Article 


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28 Jul 2023, 6:30 am

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[opinion=mine]

David Grusch is an attention-seeker; only this, and nothing more.

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Correct me if I am wrong but Grusch served in Iraq or Afghanistan and is a war hero. He, Fravor and Graves are all retired military/air force and held senior positions. They have all sworn under oath which means if they are lying they can go to jail.

What is also established is the CIA attempted to prevent the three key witnesses from taking an oath. That seems awfully suspicious. As if they have something to hide and would be compelled to release classified information if congress asked.

Seems an awful risk to take to get some cheap thrills? I think the general consensus is they are all reliable witnesses. Grusch says he knows where the craft/bodies are being stored. I should imagine nobody would stpop congress from at least verifying Grusch's allegations (although I imagine the items have been moved).



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28 Jul 2023, 6:31 am

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Renowned Physicist's Response to UFO Hearing Goes Viral

After Congress' hearing on UFOs and whistleblower David Grusch's claims that the U.S. government has covered up the existence of aliens on Earth, a popular physics professor and science communicator weighed in on Twitter.

Brian Cox, a professor of particle physics at the University of Manchester in the U.K., tweeted on Wednesday:
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"I keep being asked what I make of the UFO thing in Congress yesterday, so here it is: I watched a few clips and saw some people who seemed to believe stuff saying extraordinary things without presenting extraordinary evidence," he said.  Therefore I have nothing more to say, other than: It would be great if true -- it would take a bit of the pressure off our civilization if we weren't the only means within the Milky Way by which the Universe understands itself.  Sadly, as of today, I still feel that pressure, so can we perhaps focus on not messing our world up rather than hoping that, to paraphrase Sagan, someone will float down to save us from ourselves." -- Brian Cox (@ProfBrianCox) July 27, 2023

His tweet was liked more than 17,000 times, garnering 1.5 million views.


Source:  This Newsweek Article 


Cox is a science shill....along with neil de grasse tyson. They both should pre-record their statements and play them when interviewed.



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28 Jul 2023, 6:33 am

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I watched it for about an hour, the testimonials seemed convincing. Still just a laod of talk though isn't it?


The purpose of the hearing is to enable other witnesses to come forward who currently are worried about their careers jobs. Eventually somebody is going to walk into congress holding alien tech and the ruse will be up



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28 Jul 2023, 7:15 am

cyberdad wrote:
domineekee wrote:
I watched it for about an hour, the testimonials seemed convincing. Still just a laod of talk though isn't it?


The purpose of the hearing is to enable other witnesses to come forward who currently are worried about their careers jobs. Eventually somebody is going to walk into congress holding alien tech and the ruse will be up


Uh-hu, OK cyberdad :D