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30 Nov 2023, 11:11 am

If it's affecting mainly kids then that's one way to deal with overpopulation.



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30 Nov 2023, 12:03 pm

This is an article from inside China reporting about what is going on within the country.


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30 Nov 2023, 12:47 pm

lostonearth35 wrote:
If it's affecting mainly kids then that's one way to deal with overpopulation.


In another article, this time out of Europe, this new pandemic may also damage severely those who are part of the aging population. Since you are almost 50, you might fit that criteria:

The severity of the infection could prove particularly dangerous to Europe due to its ageing population. Pneumonia symptoms are notoriously worse in elderly people, who could face "significant challenges", according to Dr Ambani.

The article: Expert warns Europe to prepare for worst-case scenario over China outbreak

China's pneumonia outbreak has prompted a health expert to warn about the impending outbreak on Europe. The mystery respiratory illness is currently sweeping China, leaving hospitals over-run with sick children and schools closed.

There is now a worry that the outbreak has hit Europe, with the Netherlands experiencing a shocking wave of pneumonia cases among children.

Currently, China is saying that the respiratory illness is coming from bacterial infection, RSV, influenza and common cold viruses, but there is mounting concern that they are downplaying its severity.


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30 Nov 2023, 1:20 pm

Something is not adding up.

Antibiotics DO NOT work on viruses, such as those that cause colds, flu, or COVID-19.

So were antibiotics used to treat COVID and as a result did it weaken the ability of humans to resist other types of infections and destroy part of our immune system?

Antibiotic resistance is one of the most urgent threats to the public’s health. Antibiotic resistance happens when germs, like bacteria and fungi, develop the ability to defeat the drugs designed to kill them. That means the germs are not killed and continue to grow. More than 2.8 million antibiotic-resistant infections occur in the United States each year, and more than 35,000 people die as a result.

Antibiotics can save lives, but any time antibiotics are used, they can cause side effects and contribute to the development of antibiotic resistance. Each year, at least 28% of antibiotics are prescribed unnecessarily in U.S. doctors’ offices and emergency rooms (ERs), which makes improving antibiotic prescribing and use a national priority.

Source: Be Antibiotics Aware: Smart Use, Best Care

So the main critical question is WHAT ARE WE DEALING WITH? Is it a virus or a bacteria? Or perhaps is it something different, a combination of these two threats. Is it a man made combo threat.


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30 Nov 2023, 7:29 pm

I came across another interesting article about this new threat.

In Beijing and other megacities in China, hospitals are overflowing with children suffering pneumonia or similar severe ailments. However, the Chinese government claims that no new pathogen has been found and that the surge in chest infections is due simply to the usual winter coughs and colds, aggravated by the lifting of stringent COVID-19 restrictions in December 2022. The World Health Organization (WHO) has dutifully repeated this reassurance, as if it learned nothing from Beijing’s disastrous cover-up of the COVID-19 outbreak.

There is an element of truth in Beijing’s assertion, but it is only part of the story. The general acceptance that China is not covering up a novel pathogen this time appears reassuring. In fact, however, China could be incubating an even greater threat: the cultivation of antibiotic-resistant strains of a common, and potentially deadly, bacteria.

Fears of another novel respiratory pathogen emerging from China are understandable after the SARS and COVID-19 pandemics, both of which Beijing covered up. Concerns are amplified by Beijing’s ongoing obstruction of any independent investigation into the origins of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19—whether it accidentally leaked from the Wuhan lab performing dangerous gain-of-function research or derived from the illegal trade in racoon dogs and other wildlife at the now-infamous Wuhan wet-market.

Four years ago, during the early weeks of the COVID-19 outbreak, Beijing failed to report the new virus and then denied airborne spread. At pains to maintain their fiction, Chinese authorities punished doctors who raised concerns and prohibited doctors from speaking even to Chinese colleagues, let alone international counterparts. Chinese medical statistics remain deeply unreliable; the country still claims that total COVID-19 deaths sit at just over 120,000, whereas independent estimates suggest the number may have been over 2 million in just the initial outbreak alone. Now, Chinese doctors are once again being silenced and not communicating with their counterparts abroad, which suggests another potentially dangerous cover-up may be underway.

We don’t know exactly what is happening, but we can offer some informed guesses.

The microbe causing the surge in hospitalization of children is Mycoplasma pneumoniae, which causes M. pneumoniae pneumonia, or MPP. First discovered in 1938, the microbe was believed for decades to be a virus because of its lack of a cell membrane and tiny size, although in fact it is an atypical bacterium. These unusual characteristics makes it invulnerable to most antibiotics (which typically work by destroying the cell membrane). The few attempts to make a vaccine in the 1970s failed, and low mortality has provided little incentive for renewed efforts. Although MPP surges are seen every few years around the world, the combination of low mortality and difficult diagnostics has meant there is no routine surveillance.

Although MPP is the most common cause of community-acquired pneumonia in school children and teenagers, pediatricians such as myself refer to it as “walking pneumonia” because symptoms are relatively mild. Respiratory Syncytial Virus (RSV), influenza, adenoviruses, and rhinoviruses (also known as the common cold) all cause severe inflammation of the lungs and are far more common causes of emergency-room visits, hospitalization, and death in infants and young children. Why should MPP be acting differently now?

Chinese Hospitals Are Housing Another Deadly Outbreak

One of the problems with this theory is that generally this type of infection normally produces only a mild sickness. The available data shows this is above that level.


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01 Dec 2023, 9:44 am

Mycoplasma pneumoniae bacteria commonly cause mild infections of the respiratory system (the parts of the body involved in breathing). Sometimes these bacteria can cause more serious lung infections that require care in a hospital.

Has a new mycoplasma pneumoniae strain come into existence that is antibiotic resistant to all our known antibiotics? This would present a serious threat.

The size of this particular bacteria is very small (very, very small). It is a little larger than the size of a virus.

This pandemic is growing very fast. How is it spread? Is it airborne? Is it spread by consuming contaminated food or water? Is it spread by human touch? Perhaps it is a little too soon to tell at this point but its spread is very, very fast. My gut is telling me that it is airborne, just like COVID. Infections are exploding during the winter months, just like COVID.

Therefore the approach to treat this condition may be similar to treating a viral infection such as COVID.

It is possible that the (3 element) approach that I used to protect against COVID may also work to protect against this threat. One of the key elements in this approach was using N95 masks. Four years ago, they were not producing N95s for children (in general they did not need to use them on children because for the most part they were immune). Has the mask production changed over the past 4 years?

A quick scan of the internet shows that many high quality children masks are now on the market. I do not know if they can meet the standards of an N95 but they may come close. For example one source on the marketplace is called Project N95. They are currently selling a variety of children masks including KN95 kids masks, KF94 kids masks, and US-made high-filtration kids masks. On the link to their website, I noticed this company may be disappearing: Project N95 will be winding down operations by the end of 2023. So perhaps this source will dissolve away just when it is needed the most?

Generally there are two types of N95s. Some masks provide two way protection (breathing in and out). But other N95 masks only provide one way protection. They protect the air flow going into the mask. This type is used to protect the air flow of people exposed to construction workers that work in high levels of air pollution. These two types are referred to as Dust Respirators and Dust Respirators with Valve. The Dust Respirators provide two way protection. They can prevent a person from getting infected and also preventing a person who is infected from infecting someone else. But they come at a cost. They are extremely hard to wear for any length of time. It restricts your airflow. Dust Respirators with Valve provide only one way protection to the user. If they are not infected, it can protect them from becoming infected. They are easy to breath through. I suspect most of the masks currently available for children are this type of mask, a one way mask.


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01 Dec 2023, 10:34 am

I contacted one of the companies that I have dealt with in the past. It is called ULINE. It is a large company in the U.S. I asked them if they sell a version of an N95 designed for children. They politely said no.

Too bad, they would have been a good source to obtain this type of mask from.


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01 Dec 2023, 12:15 pm

This is another article, this time out of India discussing the threat from China of a new pandemic.


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01 Dec 2023, 12:27 pm

Oh well, I guess I'd better start hoarding toilet paper. Or order some helium gas.



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01 Dec 2023, 12:54 pm

Another article has given this disease a name. It is being called White Lung Syndrome



According to this report, there has already been reported 150 cases of Child Pneumonia in Warren County, Ohio in the United States. The article then goes on to say that White Lung Syndrome largely affects children between ages of 3-8 years. The name derives from White Patches on the chest x-rays of young infected children. White Lung Syndrome symptoms include shortness of breath, couching, chest pain, fever and fatigue.


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01 Dec 2023, 1:11 pm

lostonearth35 wrote:
Oh well, I guess I'd better start hoarding toilet paper. Or order some helium gas.


When I was growing up I used some helium gas. It caused me to speak like a girl.


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01 Dec 2023, 2:10 pm

I came across another article about a pneumonia outbreak in U.S. children. This time it is occurring in Massachusetts.

Massachusetts is 2nd state with child pneumonia outbreak —as questions remain about virus sweeping China

Warren County, Ohio, recorded 142 cases of pneumonia in children since August.

Massachusetts has become the second US state to report a large uptick in the number of child pneumonia cases amid a mysterious viral outbreak in China.

The US outbreaks come as pneumonia cases in children are unexpectedly surging in the Netherlands at an alarming rate.

This is the biggest pneumonia outbreak the Utrecht-based research institute has recorded in recent years.


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02 Dec 2023, 12:34 am

This is the key fact Jimmy, it's not just mycoplasma, the Chinese data says the kids are getting sick with everything.
RSV,
Common colds,
Mycoplasma,
all these diseases that rarely cause serious harm, are now suddenly a major deal for these little kids.

This is not the indicator of some novel pathogen Jimmy but rather an immune deficiency syndrome.

That much we can say with substantial certainty.

Now moving into speculation.

An immune deficiency syndrome that has suddenly happened all over the world, yet, strangely, at least so far, confined to countries that have one particular thing in common.
That is, they gave that one particular thing, to significant numbers of children under the age of 5.



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02 Dec 2023, 6:35 am

SpiceWolf wrote:
This is the key fact Jimmy, it's not just mycoplasma, the Chinese data says the kids are getting sick with everything.
RSV,
Common colds,
Mycoplasma,
all these diseases that rarely cause serious harm, are now suddenly a major deal for these little kids.

This is not the indicator of some novel pathogen Jimmy but rather an immune deficiency syndrome.

That much we can say with substantial certainty.

Now moving into speculation.

An immune deficiency syndrome that has suddenly happened all over the world, yet, strangely, at least so far, confined to countries that have one particular thing in common.
That is, they gave that one particular thing, to significant numbers of children under the age of 5.


This point was already discussed by naturalplastic, when he wrote:

Its an out break of upper respiratory illnesses among northern Chinese...mostly school kids.

But the weird thing is that not any one particular illness. Everything is busting out all over...pneumonia, flu, cold, covid.

Sounds like the early stages of the AIDS epidemic. Gay men were getting weird diseases, but different weird diseases. Turned out later that it was the result of one disease undermining the immune system.

So maybe its a new immune deficiency virus that spread through the air that effects little kids...that invites in the other illnesses.


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02 Dec 2023, 8:25 am

This is an interesting news article. At least one news organization is looking at this.



A wider range of countries are now experiencing this strange phenomena that began in China.
This White Lung Syndrome has spread from China to Europe (Amsterdam in Netherlands, Frankfort in Germany, London in England, and Paris in France), and the United States.

I have also found out that it has spread greatly in Russia but their government has forced a media silence on the subject. I do not believe that Russia has imposed the same draconian approach as China in treating COVID. Therefore, this new White Lung Syndrome outbreak will soon arrive around the entire world. We are seeing just the first round of what is coming.

We need to get on top of this quickly because it is spreading very fast.


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02 Dec 2023, 2:13 pm

jimmy m wrote:
Sounds like the early stages of the AIDS epidemic. Gay men were getting weird diseases, but different weird diseases. Turned out later that it was the result of one disease undermining the immune system.

So maybe its a new immune deficiency virus that spread through the air that effects little kids...that invites in the other illnesses.


No, pneumonic transmission would tend to spread along corridors of major air routes. Similar to the manner in which the Corona Virus romped around the world.

The pattern of countries that first experienced the syndrome, simply makes no sense for an airborne pathogen.
And the pace of it's spread is far too fast for any other forms of natural transmission.

So based on the data currently at hand, I don't think it's a microorganism causing this immune deficiency.