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03 Jan 2008, 1:31 am

I think if she were asked nicely to stop or to keep the noise down she should have done so. Trouble is, when you get someone who is rabidly religious, they truly believe it is their mission in life to "save" as many souls as possible from hell. That said, I don't like people trying to convert me, especially if I just want some peace and quiet.

Nobody on any buses I've travelled on have done that but some young fellows had an annoying scratchy sounding mobile phone radio behind me a couple of times and it really took all my self restraint not to ask them to turn the darned thing off or use headphones. It must have been very cheap and low quality and it was hurting my ears.


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03 Jan 2008, 8:42 pm

If I were the bus driver, I wouldn't have been able to drive safely, with that going on.


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05 Jan 2008, 2:45 pm

The T has a policy against abusive behavior! Ha! What about the bus driver's abusive behavior towards Christianity?



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06 Jan 2008, 3:31 am

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Man, you must live in the Combat Zone. I feel for you, I really do. I would NEVER put up with that s**t. Not for a second. I would find some someone to share a taxi or car service or walk or ride a bike for that matter rather than put myself through any of that. Even in freezing rain - and I've done that. Poncho, warm sweater underneath, a prayer - and you're good to go.

As for listening to the bible rather than that. There are different interpretations to the bible and 99.9% of them are wrong! So why would you subject your ears to hearing twisted truths? The best bet is to get yourself a cheap MP3 and find some good Noahide interpretations of the Bible online - free - which are the closest you can get to the original Hebrew - and listen to that! Not somebody's lies about how they *think* things were meant to be.

The only way you can survive in this world is if you get pro-active -and undo the shackles of the sheeple. The Noahide version will let you do just that. Good luck.

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I'd like to hear the Bible for a change. I put up with blaring 'music' about violence and crimes, screaming in cellphones or at eachother, and I have to tolerate people calling me vile names and saying loudly what vile things will be done to me including rape and murder. I have asked for it to be stopped and been forced off the bus in violent areas late at night. I have been attacked on a bus, even drivers scream at me and kick me off for nonverbal. None of this bothers the driver or anyone else including most of those on this forum. How can we expect tolerance when we won't even tolerate each other?

I have never been on a quiet bus or even a tolerable level of sound unless I am alone with the driver. Out screaming seems required on any public transportation where I live and I wonder where all your calm quiet by law enforced busses are?????


I can take that back somewhat. Yesterday, I took same busline, but other direction. The driver kept yelling over everyone in a packed bus and settled them. he was scary,but riders all pretty quiet. The only time I want to avoid it, I am scared to say anything and area to bad to get of and wait for next one. If telling me they will kill me of rob me (Usually in spanish), I think safer to stay on bus.

will meet Hope today and my have companion for safety as well as other tasks. Wonder why no one wanted her? for seizures and hypoglycemia, Will have to retrain some and special tasks. May Hope be the SD for me.


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06 Jan 2008, 10:15 am

Kitsy wrote:
After watching the video, it sheds more light than just the article.

http://cbs11tv.com/local/woman.bible.get.2.620431.html

She could have been too loud. There are also signs on the bus.


Oh hi - was wondering what your avatar was....


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06 Jan 2008, 10:17 am

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I have to admit that I would have been highly irritated to be forced to listen to the bible while riding on public transport. It would have smacked of proselytizing. Religion is a sensitive and volatile subject, and other people might have felt the same. If they like the bible so much, there are books on tape.


I am in agreement here because I have been in this situation before, on a bus. In addition, my NT ex-husband is a Seventh Day Adventist and he used to drive me crazy in the house with his proselytizing. His family, a bunch of hypocrites, was the same. The practitioners of this religion do seem to go overboard with the witnessing, annoying others who do not share their beliefs.

I believe religion is a private event and so I frown on public displays, loud or not, outside of home and church.



I am Christian and although I do not believe that religion is something that should be kept locked away from other non believers, I do think there is a gray area where out reaching about what you believe in to help others can be grossly misused.The bible calls for believers to have faith and to spread the gospel of the lord. Like all humans some believers let their "flesh" get in the way of the purpose of god which is simply to bring eternal life and salvation to all those living on earth.


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06 Jan 2008, 12:11 pm

From what I've learned about christianity is that the whole PREMISE of the dogma is to *preach the gospel*. And that's what they've been doing for 2,000 - in the world's face in every corner of the globe. Now it looks like it's backfiring on them. I just hope they don't go all Michigan Militia now....


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06 Jan 2008, 6:26 pm

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From what I've learned about christianity is that the whole PREMISE of the dogma is to *preach the gospel*. And that's what they've been doing for 2,000 - in the world's face in every corner of the globe. Now it looks like it's backfiring on them. I just hope they don't go all Michigan Militia now....


Oh heathen, how it backfires on you!



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07 Jan 2008, 1:02 am

A good bible verse for those that tell Christians to keep their religion to themselves.

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"Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins. (Isaiah 58:1, KJV)"



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07 Jan 2008, 1:05 am

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A good bible verse for those that tell Christians to keep their religion to themselves.

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"Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins. (Isaiah 58:1, KJV)"


Thank you for your help. I'm going to school to become a minister. I prefer a more dramatic approach like Jesus did. "O perverse generation! How long will I be with you?" My thoughts exactly.



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07 Jan 2008, 2:23 am

just wondering if we are showing the tolerance we wish would be shown to us?


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07 Jan 2008, 4:06 am

eScential wrote:
just wondering if we are showing the tolerance we wish would be shown to us?


You must be SP, secular progressive then. Right?



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07 Jan 2008, 11:01 am

777 wrote:
jjstar wrote:
From what I've learned about christianity is that the whole PREMISE of the dogma is to *preach the gospel*. And that's what they've been doing for 2,000 - in the world's face in every corner of the globe. Now it looks like it's backfiring on them. I just hope they don't go all Michigan Militia now....


Oh heathen, how it backfires on you!


LOL - Heathen, eh? Isn't that the tactic your kind employed on the Jews and Muslims for 2,000 years using that as an excuse to torture, burn, bury, destroy, plunder, rape and sodomize anyone who called you on your twisted teachings?
Yeah.
I thought so.
NEXT!


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07 Jan 2008, 11:20 am

jjstar wrote:
777 wrote:
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From what I've learned about christianity is that the whole PREMISE of the dogma is to *preach the gospel*. And that's what they've been doing for 2,000 - in the world's face in every corner of the globe. Now it looks like it's backfiring on them. I just hope they don't go all Michigan Militia now....


Oh heathen, how it backfires on you!


LOL - Heathen, eh? Isn't that the tactic your kind employed on the Jews and Muslims for 2,000 years using that as an excuse to torture, burn, bury, destroy, plunder, rape and sodomize anyone who called you on your twisted teachings?
Yeah.
I thought so.
NEXT!


OWNED!

But really, there is hardly enough evidence to claim that she was "religiously discriminated against." In Texas? Let's be honest, she was probably disruptive or something. Most Americans are Christian, I laugh at these little efforts that some Christians (not all, of course) employ to try to achieve the whole "persecuted minority" status. Puh-lease...



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07 Jan 2008, 1:00 pm

It's interesting that the Christians did so much worse to others for practicing other religions, and at the slightest <cough> infringement of their *rights* they go off the deep end. Next thing you know they'll be electing Huckabee. Oh wait, did I say that out loud? Cancel that!

Anyway - here are some more details -

Bible-Reading Woman Kicked Off Fort Worth Bus

Created: Monday, 31 Dec 2007, 3:48 PM CST

FORT WORTH -- A Fort Worth woman wants an apology from the city's mass transit system because of how she was treated Saturday while on her way to church. Christine Lutz claimed she was kicked off The T for reading the Bible aloud to her children.

Lutz said she was sitting in the back of the bus, but wasn't being disruptive. She claimed she was stunned when the bus driver interrupted her reading.

"She asked me to stop reading my Bible," Lutz told FOX 4. "I said, 'No, I'm reading the Bible, I'm teaching the kids, I'm going to continue.' And I continued."

Lutz said the next thing she knew, the bus had pulled over and she was being escorted into a supervisor's van, which then took her and her family to church.

Officials at The T said the incident had nothing to do with what Lutz was reading, just the fact that she was simply making too much noise. Signs on the bus warn against playing radios and loud behavior. Transportation officials claimed they asked Lutz to quiet down, and when she refused, they were forced to remove her from the bus.

"If she were reading 'Moby Dick' or reciting the Pledge of Allegiance or reading anything else, the same thing would have occurred," said The T's Joan Hunter.

But the Liberty Legal Institute, which has fought many legal battles over religious issues, said The T is out of line.

"I'm extremely shocked that a bus driver would pull over and take time out of his busy schedule in order to kick off a lady and her two kids while they're trying to read the Bible on their way to church," said Hiram Sasser of the Liberty Legal Institute. "They should be ashamed of that."

Lutz said all she is looking for is an apology. She said in her mind, what happened this past weekend was religious persecution, and she refuses to go along for the ride.

Copyright 2008 - KDFW FOX 4 News
Jeff Crilley and Alice Kalthoff contributed to this report.

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/myfox/pages/New ... geId=3.2.1


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07 Jan 2008, 5:46 pm

This lady was in the *back* of the bus and the bus driver could hear her? Apparently, she must of been reading pretty loudly for her voice to carry that far.

I take public transportation myself and you wouldn't believe the kinds of stuff that happens on buses here. We get people constantly using profanity, folks with obvious mental illnesses who always find it necessary to spout their word salad at the top of their lungs and I've encountered men who choose me as the girl to use for their masturbatory fantasy....while they're sitting across from me. 8O

If this lady is the worst one can encounter on Fort Worth's public transportation, then I need to move there.


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