Airport Screeners looking at body language and expressions

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03 Jan 2008, 11:20 am

Bad sign for HFA and Aspie folks. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/344 ... ler26.html

Basically if you act irregular you'll be pulled out for intense scrutiny. Yep.... I'm gonna fly now. Not.


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03 Jan 2008, 11:49 am

well, it sounds like a god idea, you probably would act nervous if you were about to hijack a plane. And you're right, it would be a problem for us aspies.
but I doubt they're going to scrutinize us, they will probably ask why your nervouss, and do background checks, so they aren't gonna throw you in jail because your aspie..


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03 Jan 2008, 11:54 am

"And to emphasize the sensitivity TSA is bringing to the program, he recalled a meeting with an association for people with Tourette's disorder to assure them that having a tic will not result in a pat-down."

I agree with squier, if their aware of Tourette's they must also be aware of Asperger's syndrome.


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03 Jan 2008, 12:10 pm

Well, I doubt they know about ASDs just because they know about Tourette's. How aware is the US of autism in adults?

I wouldn't fear being put in jail, because I wouldn't have done anything wrong, but if a stranger would ask me such a question after a fly and in a mass of people at an airport, I'd freak out. I can't talk straight when I'm anxious and hyperactive. I already draw the attention of regular people on me. I wouldn't survive a security screening without a meltdown. I totally freak out if authority like police is talking to me or if other security people are nagging me about something.

Now, this seriously doesn't help my panic of airports and planes at all...



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03 Jan 2008, 12:19 pm

yeah but when you tell them you have AS, they look at your medical record, and look up AS, then they'll beleive you and you'll be fine


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03 Jan 2008, 12:30 pm

I sure as hell hope they can't look at my medical record. That would be a HUGE HIPPA violation.

And if you believe that they'll just let you pass or you won't end up in jail just because you think so. Remember these are the same folks who would nearly strip search 80 year old women because they had their random number picked. That won't let an 8 year old fly because his name is on the no-fly list. etc...

Remember, airport screeners are not government employees at all. They're employed by the airports and generally are payed very little. They'll just pass you over to the police rather than spend extra time with you.


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03 Jan 2008, 12:42 pm

Ohhh jeeze, thats messed up. I have never flown and realize as much as a hastle it can be. I can be friendly and feel I know how to deal with the police well enough, cooperate! In the end, I doubt my body language and whatever else wont be to tough as far as settin off any alarms. Of course I guess until I experience an airport I wont assume anything.


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03 Jan 2008, 12:42 pm

I can understand you want to see this as a problem, I did the same thing with the "uncyclopedi.org" article on AS, but it wasn't a problem because it was a joke.

I'm not saying this is a joke, but i am saying you are overeacting, if the peple who check you send you to the police, they can check, and there are other ways to verify your AS. they aren't gonna descriminate you!! !!
and the 8-year old could be on the no fly list for health problems, not security lists, and those people probably don't want to check 80-year olds becaue they would agree with you--they're probably not a threat. but they HAVE TO. the random ticket thingymajig pulled the ticket up and they have to do it. and they're not letting suspicious people pass either, if someone looks a threat, but the random ticket thingymajig doesn't pull theyre name up, they can still check them, DONT MAKE THIS PROPAGANDA!


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03 Jan 2008, 12:59 pm

At Seattle-Tacoma International last month, a pair of soldiers, in full dress uniform, were escorting the body of a comrade home for burial. They loaded the coffin aboard the Iowa-bound plane, with proper ceremony, then returned to the jetway to board themselves. The metal in their ribbons set off the metal detector.

The TSA screeners required them to strip to T-shirts and undershorts and submit to pat-down and wanding, right next to the metal detector, in full view of everyone else waiting to enter the terminal. When first confronted about this situation, the head of the local Homeland Security office defended this action. Apologies were not forthcoming until both a local news program (on KOMO, Seattle channel 4) and Rep. Norm Dicks, on the House Armed Services Committee, were called in.

These were combat veterans, in uniform, displaying their decorations. What are the odds that a scruffy ol' civilian like me will get any better treatment, in Homeland Insecurity declares one of my tics to display my obvious terrorist sympathies?


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03 Jan 2008, 2:35 pm

On the other hand it is exactly 0% difficult to get a fake army uniform.



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03 Jan 2008, 2:51 pm

why not get a HFA bracelet?



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03 Jan 2008, 2:59 pm

Kassiane wrote an article here about her issues with flying, even when they allegedly know about autism. http://www.wrongplanet.net/article346.html

Personally I haven't flown much since 9/11. I don't like all the hoopla, never liked flying anyways. I took my son when he was an infant (he didn't even cry) and it was a hassle enough. I drive nowadays and I like to take the train.



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03 Jan 2008, 3:37 pm

Being pulled aside and scrutinized is always extremely stressful for me. I usually end up in tears or at least unable to speak. If I can't explain myself, that usually implies guilt!

I'm not too concerned, though. I don't think I stand out that much. And I don't fly anyway.

Also, I've never heard of anyone getting bracelets for HFA and the like. The possibility hadn't crossed my mind. But now that I think of it, it seems like it might be a good idea.


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03 Jan 2008, 3:48 pm

Well, most of the times I prepare well at home, so I am not making myself stressed or something. Preparing a flight is really important. Next to that, I can be really polite and probably have an honest face or something, because I have never been picked out for any kind of additional check.

When I would be asked, then I always keep some official papers, like invitations close by. So I can prove quickly what I am going to do.



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03 Jan 2008, 3:55 pm

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2 ... it_11.html

and

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/335/7633/1290

Basically, all of these "security" measures that have been put in place have had 0 testing and no revews on even if they work or not. Great.


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03 Jan 2008, 4:05 pm

Grimfaire wrote:
Basically, all of these "security" measures that have been put in place have had 0 testing and no revews on even if they work or not. Great.


Well, how do you think they test them? They're doing that now.


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