Flirty women responsible for rape?
I agree with you. The only way that I would be able to not hit someone who said something that stupid is if they explained that their definition of 'blame' was different from mine. Like wearing skimpy clothes will make it more likely for that to happen to you, but OF COURSE its not your fault.
If you wear skimpy clothes and then men start hootin' and hollerin' at you, then that is very different in my opinion.
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It is obvious that you all don't understand the species "man".
For men, the prime directive is to screw women. Sorry, but that's how it is. You want to wear skimpy outfits to attract men, that's your business, but realize that no law is more powerful than the "prime directive". You get raped, please don't come crying to me, I've just warned you.
This is, of course, a self-serving lie.
BJS report NCJ-151658 notes that there are 2 rapes or attempted rapes reported per 1,000 US citizens, which is 530,000 reports of rape per year. There are 15,000 rape convictions annually. Based on new DNA tests, a third of those convictions are now found to be false. Therefore, there are potentially 520,000 false rape allegations a year.
The image of male violence has been deliberately overblown to serve feminist interests. In another citation...
Sadly, false rape accusations are now common in the United States, and have been repeatedly studied by a number of academic and governmental agencies. The most commonly cited study is that of Eugene Kanin.
With the cooperation of the police agency of a small metropolitan community, 45 consecutive, disposed, false rape allegations covering a 9 year period were studied. These false rape allegations constitute 41% the total forcible rape cases (n= 109) reported during this period. These false allegations appear to serve three major functions for the complainants: providing an alibi, seeking revenge, and obtaining sympathy and attention. False rape allegations are not the consequence of a gender-linked aberration, as frequently claimed, but reflect impulsive and desperate efforts to cope with personal and social stress situations. Eugene J. Kanin, Ph.D. Department of Sociology and Anthropology, Purdue University, 1365 Winthrop E. Stone Hall, West Lafayette, Indiana 47907-1365.
Simply put, Kanin estimated that somewhat less than half of reported rapes did not occur, and further studied by Campus Security departments and the US Air Force have found that number to be a rather conservative estimate. The Air Force study placed the number at sixty percent. ("False Allegations," Forensic Science Digest, V. 11, no. 4, Dec. 1985, p. 64, by Charles P. McDowell. )
In conclusion, this is an example of what is known as 'Moral Panic'. Similar such events include such dire cases as Blood Libel and their ensuing Pogroms, as well as McCarthyism, while anti-cult movements and fear of pornography are somewhat less colorful examples of the same phenomenon.
- M
For men, the prime directive is to screw women. Sorry, but that's how it is. You want to wear skimpy outfits to attract men, that's your business, but realize that no law is more powerful than the "prime directive". You get raped, please don't come crying to me, I've just warned you.
And yet the vast majority of men can manage to go their whole lives without raping anyone. Even most of us who do spend a significant amount of time and energy trying to screw women stop short of physical force. Some of us are even ethical about it.
Saying that it happens doesn't excuse it. It doesn't make it the woman's fault, no matter what kind of clothes she wears. Trying to invoke those kinds of apologetics is an insult to the billions of men who have learned not to act like animals.
Jeremy
I saw it in a commercial.
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That leaves a hell of a lot of men who can't. And it only takes one. I'm not talking blame here; I leave that to the government. The simple reality is that there are lots of men who rape women, and if one dresses in such a way as to turn them on, then she is asking for trouble. Of course women should be able to wear what they want, but of course they do so at their own risk.
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Not so many. Certainly not enough to make the claim that men as a group are biologically incapable of controlling themselves or that rape is an innate male characteristic.
I think you don't give men or women enough credit. First you'd have to establish that dressing provocatively actually does increase the incidence of rape. Then you'd have to show that such an effect was significant compared to the other factors. For example, I suspect alcohol plays a much, much bigger role in rape than clothing.
Jeremy
I've heard that anout 1/3 of women are sexually harrassed, assualted or raped. This makes some sense. Construction workers and their cat whistles would fall under this heading. Most therefeore are likely minor instances of sexual harassment, The emphasis, of course, is on rape, a small fraction of this.
And even if many reported rapes do not occur, by far the majority of thsoe that do go unreported.
As for accusing women of "deserving rape," it's called "blaimign the victim." DId a bit in middle school.
A reall sick instance of this is Nigeria with its sharia law.
If a woman is raped she can be convicted for adultery, if she complains she can be convicted of libel.
I don't know how common these cases are, I beleive I've seen two mentioned in my lifetime, one on the former, one on the latter.
Yet those laws do exist.
And some people (*cough* Pryor */cough*) seem to want to bring them to the US. Though this, of course, is getting off topic.
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"The difference between genius and idiocy is that genius has limits." -Albert Einstein
at what stage does a woman endanger her safety? wearing a skirt that has a hemline that is 15 inches above the ankle? 10 inches? 5 inches?
also, if a man is raped by another man, is the victim responsible if he was dressed in a way to attract potential partners (male or female)?
You can be as politically correct as you want, you can pass all the laws you want, but men exist to screw women. As many as possible. As often as possible. That trumps acceptability, because it is reality
ed, I think you are buying in to Happeh's way of thinking. I know you are a good socialist and are capable of not turning into a sex obsessive like Happeh!!
...there's a big difference between encouraging attention and wanting physical contact.
But you need to realise that when you dress to attract men, the men you attract are thinking about screwing you. You may not like that thought, it's extremely un-PC, but it's fact. A certain proportion of those men are potential rapists.
Naturally that doesn't excuse a man forcing himself on you, but statistically speaking, the likelyhood of you getting attacked is directly proportional to a number of factors over which you have control — like your attractiveness and your propensity for getting drunk.
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Everyone deserves to be safe regardless of who they are. To write off rape in such a way as to blame the victim is to put everyone in danger regardless of the circumstances. Also, to say that men can't control themselves is actually an insult to a whole gender. Men are not Neanderthals incapable of controlling themselves. They can run billion dollar corporations, lead countries and other astounding things that take all the self disipline in the world. Surely, they can take responsability for their own behavior.
In my case, I dress very conservatively yet everywhere I go, I've had men try to follow me, harrass me and even had several instances of men exposing themselves at me......while on a crowded bus. I'm tired of not being able to go outside my front door without feeling like like I have to carry a gun because of these fools. The other day, I even had one dude try to block my path with his car while I was walking home when I wouldn't take his offer for a ride.
I tell you what, though. If men truly can't control their "urges", then I'm not going to suppress my "urge" to shoot the next creep with the .38 I'm about to purchase.
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