Gurus who give overly simplistic advice
I'm going to give this a month and a half and then it's time to let my family know my decision and explaining why.
The truth is sometimes one has to walk away from the poker table and that takes the most balls of all since our society is the type of society that never quits and encourages others to keep going in the face of adversity.
But, at what cost though? What cost do I continue to play the same game I can't win especially when it's others who guard the doors, have all the keys, make all the rules and choose what rules to enforce or not. Maybe it's time to give the american society an emphatic no.
Cube, we discussed in the past a possible relocation to a rural area where the pressure is less and the people are nicer. With your talent finding something creative to do, perhaps collaborating with other Aspies, MonaPereth gave some useful suggestions. Thinking out of the "cube" so to speak. Doing something that suits your executive function at your own pace. Necessity is the mother of invention. What do you think?
a. I don't know how to live a rural lifestyle.
b. I would still have to play the employment game. Switching locations does not solve the problem that I don't know how to play it.
Truth of the matter is like I said overly simplistic solutions for complex issues like mine don't work. I've already said what I have needed. I need someone to be my Henry Higgins. But, I do understand most people wouldn't be able to provide that including disability organizations. And, that's why even though my parents tried with me as I was growing there comes a point in time it's time to fold.
And, it isn't just being able to find and do the job and executive dysfunction. It's exhaustion as well. I'm tired all the time and can barely get the stuff I'm doing now each day done.
My issues are multi-faceted. Overly simplistic solutions don't work. Ok, I will give everyone a hint. Look up the concept of a SWOT analysis. It helps one to look at strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats in relation to one another. If a guru wants to help me then they can start of with doing a SWOT with me.
How? How am I to do this?
I already tried to do computer repair business. It didn't work.
Right now, your response does the very thing I complain about on this thread. Giving very overly-simplistic pat answers to a complex issue.
I think you are unfair to Kraftie after everything he explained about health insurances and civil service - he definitely proved he can split general ideas into fine details.
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We talked about SWOT as well. Am I correct in assuming that you are saying that your disabilities prevent you from fulfilling everyone's expectations of you? And your own?
If so, then it's time to accept that you are disabled, live off any disabilty/other income that you have and enjoy your life as much as you can within those perameters. Is it convincing your family of your difficulties that is hardest? Or yourself?
Dabble in computer stuff for fun.
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How? How am I to do this?
I already tried to do computer repair business. It didn't work.
Right now, your response does the very thing I complain about on this thread. Giving very overly-simplistic pat answers to a complex issue.
I think you are unfair to Kraftie after everything he explained about health insurances and civil service - he definitely proved he can split general ideas into fine details.
If I am I didn't mean to be. And, he did an excellent job. What I need though most ppl will not or cannot give me. It would be a lot for them to do. And, they can't do it online. It would have to be in person with someone breaking things down for me. Imagine trying to teach an alien from a different planet. And, consider there is a group who is closer to you in thought then most ppl on Earth but even on wrongplanet I'm still on the wrongplanet.
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Agreed, but our culture doesn't accept it. It's why I have to challenge ppl's especially conservative values.
family and society
alright! There is something I do want to do but most ppl would not like it. As most ppl have a certain fear of certain types of technology.
How? How am I to do this?
I already tried to do computer repair business. It didn't work.
Right now, your response does the very thing I complain about on this thread. Giving very overly-simplistic pat answers to a complex issue.
I think you are unfair to Kraftie after everything he explained about health insurances and civil service - he definitely proved he can split general ideas into fine details.
How am I being unfair exactly? Your criticism tells me nothing. In fact, you've given me another example of what I'm talking about. And, this is one of many reasons why I wish to walk away from the poker table.
I'm wondering is WP right for me.
I need detailed advice too. Where do I find it? I don't know where to go, most people are not programmed to understand my situation. They don't know how to listen and formulate a plan based on that situation. They forget vital bits of information I tell them. So where do I turn?
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I'm wondering is WP right for me.
I assume you just ask for information, not attack.
By being unfair I understand that Kraftie has given you a lot of detailed advice (which e.g. I couldn't give you because it was US-specific). Then he came with a more general idea and you instantly complained for the fact that the idea was general. That I found unfair.
On the other hand, you complimented him in your next post and after that I believe you did Kraftie justice.
I assume you get triggered by undetailed ideas because of the amount of frustration you've been through. This is how I understand the whole topic.
Then, people knowing only as much as you have written are simply unable to give you specific advice unless you ask a very specific question. Otherwise they would need to write full handbooks which would be just as useless, because finding the information you need in a flow of details seems to be just the problem.
If you ask me for advice, try to be as specific with your questions as possible. Kraftie was smart enough to understand "you might as well be speaking a foreign language" as "what the funny words you used mean?" but I wasn't that smart and I read the same sentence more like "stop bothering, leave me alone!"
I know there were school bullies who mocked people for asking questions like "what X means?", maybe even your parents did it - I make an angry face if they did - but on WP, mocking people for such questions is completely unacceptable and mod interventions are certain.
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Ok, what do you consider an attack? To me, calling someone an a**hole, a s**t, a b***h, and making fun of them is an attack. I never called Kraftie any name or made fun of him at all. In fact, I think he's a cool dude.
He did indeed give a lot of excellent detailed advice. I understand medical insurance better because of him and the reasoning it is important to get.
Oh, that's right. You're from Poland.
When someone tells me something general and unless it is obvious to me I might as well be reading from the Handbook for the recently deceased from the movie BeetleJuice.
On the other hand, you complimented him in your next post and after that I believe you did Kraftie justice.
Yes, I do get triggered. And, I've been through tons of frustration. I guess I'm an open book to you.
You have a good point.
But, how do you derive from what I said to stop bothering, leave me alone? There was nothing deep or profound about the metaphor stating that "you might as well be speaking a foreign language." I meant what I said. From my perspective it is like speaking in a foreign language. If I started talking about the min-max algorithm with you without any programming background how would I come across to you? Would I be intelligible?
I had those and I wanted to take a baseball bat to their heads. But, I thank God for giving me the self-control and the patience so I don't go to jail over stupid people.

Oh, I meant to ask. Is that you crossing that rickety looking bridge?
Ok, what do you consider an attack? To me, calling someone an as*hole, a s**t, a b***h, and making fun of them is an attack. I never called Kraftie any name or made fun of him at all. In fact, I think he's a cool dude.
Yes, I do get triggered. And, I've been through tons of frustration. I guess I'm an open book to you.
Not really an open book. I know very little details about you. I just have some, ekhm... general idea. Trying to imagine myself in your metaphorical shoes. It frustrates me when people don't answer my questions because they can't imagine I wouldn't know the "obvious" answers. I would be overwhelmingly frustrated if I experienced that every day.
But, how do you derive from what I said to stop bothering, leave me alone? There was nothing deep or profound about the metaphor stating that "you might as well be speaking a foreign language." I meant what I said. From my perspective it is like speaking in a foreign language. If I started talking about the min-max algorithm with you without any programming background how would I come across to you? Would I be intelligible?
Well, that may be because foreign languages are especially difficult to me. It's like "I could never understand what you say"
I have some programming background but I talk to specialists from outside my field a lot, first of them my husband. If I really try to understand what someone says, I ask for specific words and concepts. If I give up, I say things like "You know I'm no more than a rubber duck for you right now". (I assume Cubedemon is familiar with Rubber Duck Debugging, for those who don't know it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging )
I had those and I wanted to take a baseball bat to their heads. But, I thank God for giving me the self-control and the patience so I don't go to jail over stupid people.

I hit my brother more than once. He seemed satisfied to be able to put the blame on me then.
Yes. The place is called Drachenwand.
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What about Vocational Rehabilitation? I have never utilized them outside the State of Florida, but they are a state funded entity that does the step by step stuff you are talking about. And they are going to help me get a civil servant type job (that Kortie mentioned), once I get out of IPN.
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I wonder, my friend, if you noticed that I meant it as a "side hustle" to your benefits-----not as a way to make a living fully.
I meant----more along the lines of you putting an ad in the paper or Craigslist or something----which would show people your skill in diagnosing and treating computer problems. And you can get some of that money in cash, so you don't have to report it to the IRS or to SSI.
I'm not one of those type of people who think people on "benefits" are "scum" or whatever. I've known some very smart people on "benefits."
I've already used them twice. They are terrible. They don't understand aspergers and ASDs at all.
I would not recommend them in a million years to my worst enemy.
I meant----more along the lines of you putting an ad in the paper or Craigslist or something----which would show people your skill in diagnosing and treating computer problems. And you can get some of that money in cash, so you don't have to report it to the IRS or to SSI.
I'm not one of those type of people who think people on "benefits" are "scum" or whatever. I've known some very smart people on "benefits."
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A. I already tried something like that. Not with Craigslist and though with developing a program. I only had one taker who I successfully created a pivot calculator for. It was a guy from Sweden and it's very interesting how instead of using the "." as a decimal they use the comma as a decimal point.
B. With computer repair and programming I have zero clue as to how much to charge someone.
C. With respect to both of them when someone asks how long will it take I honestly have no f*****g clue as to how to give an answer. I'm told to give a ballpark figure or shoot it out of my ass. How?
D. With respect to computer repair, I have motor coordination problems. Let me put it to you this way. I've had to replace a DC Jack on laptops I've had in the past. Days later it would malfunction. Or the motherboard malfunctions or the computer no longer retains a charge. This is consistent with almost every laptop I've done.
And, a lot of times the screws are of differing sizes. So, one has to know what size screw to put into what hole when one puts it all back together.
E. I've lost all passion for programming and computer repair anyway.
Do you all see the problem here? Do you guys see the issues?
Kraftie, Persephone29, Teach, etc the thing is (no I'm not attacking or meaning to attack) though you all are giving overly-simplistic solutions without consideration of the circumstances that may give issues for me to actually implement these solutions. My loved ones do the exact same thing. This is one of the main reasons why I wish to walk away from the poker table.
And, I do have to take somewhat what I said of Voc Rehab. My voc rehab counsleor asked me a lot of questions and had me to intricate tests and months later he was still trying to find someone who could work with me. He pretty much attempted to do what I was talking about and his quote was this. "It would take a miracle of God for you to be employed."
You make it hard for yourself by not thinking before striking.
I don’t know anything about fixing computers. I’m not psychic. I didn’t know about the screws and such.
All I said is that you can put an ad, and then do what you can do.
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I don’t know anything about fixing computers. I’m not psychic. I didn’t know about the screws and such.
What are you talking about exactly? Thinking? What am I to think about exactly? Are you talking about repairing computers? If it is that, I did use youtube in which there were vids that told how to open the laptop step by step and put it back together.
And, sometimes one can think and still miss vital and key information. It's called an unknown, unknown or out of context problem. It's not something one can look up, consider, ruminate about.
Of course you wouldn't know about the screws and being able to keep them sorted (and remembering what screws go with what holes) if you know nothing about fixing computers. And, that's the entire point and theme of this thread. A lot of people giving pat answers and overly-simplistic answers including my loved ones without understanding the circumstances that surround the advice.
I apologize for frustrating you which I sure I am but this is the life I live and is the truth for me.
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