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20 Jan 2013, 5:09 pm

I don't think you should feel bad for being white. Whites have committed a lot of brutality against their own kind, and the tribal issues in Africa between native Africans (for example) are not always kind or friendly or non-violent. The same goes for other ethnic groups; the Chinese, Koreans, Indians and so on.

Race and cultural issues are more complex than any of us can control. And you can't control the race you're born with.

Can you do anything for the minority groups in your area? Is it a racist area??


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20 Jan 2013, 5:18 pm

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haha, are you serious? There is nothing to be ashamed of.

I love it when some bleeding heart pops up to tell me of my white male privilege... coming from Appalachia, from a disastrous trash family, I can really relate, oh sure. These people are so stupid.

Not to mention my disability, which caused me no end of setbacks such that I have hardly had a career up until now.

Some white people really do suck, I have to admit. But most are just trying to get by, like all the rest.

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This guy has a very good point. Whites can be just as vulnerable to degradation and malignment and ostracism as any other racial group.

I often think the reason so many ''White Trash'' (and I despise the phrase, but just for the sake of argument) families are so looked down on is because they remind ''higher status'' whites that they are just as prey to social exclusion as any other group.


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20 Jan 2013, 5:26 pm

If you openly admit that you have inherited unearned privilege, you have already done more to help fix the system than most privileged people ever do. If you want to do even more, you can. No need to feel ashamed or guilty.



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20 Jan 2013, 5:37 pm

I would say now that it is more a matter of the dominant global culture of industrialisation and cultural homogenisation that we should all be terrified of; white, black, asian, whatever.

Aboriginal groups are still being forced off their land all over the world right now. You can always start helping and go and volunteer somewhere or raise awareness. Your race will become irrelavent with this kind of work. You'll just be a human being fighting for what's right.


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20 Jan 2013, 6:15 pm

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Sometimes I wish I could change my race but it cant be done sucks kinda being the most hated race in the world. I have to take blame for everything these days.

maybe you should buff yourself with boot polish and step out into the world to see how you are accepted.
i am almost certain that in this world you will not be treated badly because of your skin color

you may as well criticize cro magnons for their role in extinguishing the neanderthal line. do you want to throw your life away because neanderthals were unable to compete with cro magnon men?

all things retreat into history, and i feel nothing about things i did not contribute to.
you are stupid if you feel you are responsible for what you did not do. you fall on your sword and "own " the blame for what you did not contribute to because you are weak, and you may relinquish your own integrity to a futile sacrifice if you wish to, but i will never respect you for that choice.


This man's right.

I'm not responsible for the Empire, for Nazi Germany, for the Belgian colonisation of Africa, for the North American massacre of the Indians, for the Spanish colonisers' genocide of South American tribes and so on and so forth. I'm not responsible for my country's involvement in Iraq, Afghanistan or Libya. And so on.

I reject the privilege argument because I don't see being able to walk about in a Western country free of harassment or abuse as something I should feel 'lucky' for just because I'm white. I see it as a human right for all.



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20 Jan 2013, 8:18 pm

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If you openly admit that you have inherited unearned privilege, you have already done more to help fix the system than most privileged people ever do. If you want to do even more, you can. No need to feel ashamed or guilty.
Well I am part native American but refuse to collect the benefits I am also Autistic nd do not collect or claim ssi or ssdi even though I might qualify I just work because I know I'm functional to do that and try and work around the difficulties and not use my disorder as a crutch. I also donate from time to time my recent donation was to the Tsunami victims in Japan before that Haiti and the victims of hurricane Katrina. I also donated blood to the victims of september eleventh.


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20 Jan 2013, 9:30 pm

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If you openly admit that you have inherited unearned privilege, you have already done more to help fix the system than most privileged people ever do. If you want to do even more, you can. No need to feel ashamed or guilty.
Well I am part native American but refuse to collect the benefits I am also Autistic nd do not collect or claim ssi or ssdi even though I might qualify I just work because I know I'm functional to do that and try and work around the difficulties and not use my disorder as a crutch. I also donate from time to time my recent donation was to the Tsunami victims in Japan before that Haiti and the victims of hurricane Katrina. I also donated blood to the victims of september eleventh.


You care a lot. Just do what you can with the compassion you already have. Stop blaming yourself and beating yourself up so much.


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20 Jan 2013, 11:57 pm

I do what I can but sometimes I don't think its enough though even if I were to take a bullet for the oppressed it might not be enough to make amends others have done or convince that I feel for the ones who have been oppressed even if it means me being oppressed myself. I just wih I could wipe the slate clean to make amends for the past that other caucasians have done.


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21 Jan 2013, 1:35 am

I can sort of relate. I am very very white looking and some of my family is a lot... less white looking, and just within my own family I've seen vast differences in how I'm treated to how they're treated. That extends beyond my family to my friends and all of the POC I know and have known.

Ridiculous racists deny white privilege and I wonder how uncomfortable it must be for these very obviously angry people to keep insisting they aren't experiencing privilege and they ARE. NOT. RACIST. Then I remember that it's their own problem, and who gives a s**t if they're uncomfortable while they're willfully being part of the problem?

But you, you have an idea of exactly why your skin color implies something out of your control. You're actively non-racist, which actually does take some work. You've done everything you should ever be expected to do by just KNOWING there is racial tension. There is nothing more that is your social responsibility.

Anything further is BS, beyond being a good person, and being aware of what's going on around you, you don't owe anyone anything. You have nothing to feel guilty about. You do not have to let anyone make you feel bad and YOU NEVER SHOULD. You aren't stepping on anyone's toes by goddamn existing or being white or being a male. You aren't responsible for what has happened throughout history.

If someone tries to make you feel bad, tell them to f**k off. Seriously. Tell them to get f****d. No one has any right to make you feel bad for your ethnicity.


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21 Jan 2013, 1:46 am

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If someone tries to make you feel bad, tell them to f**k off. Seriously. Tell them to get f****. No one has any right to make you feel bad for your ethnicity.


People who try to make you feel bad about your race (i.e. the colour of your skin or where you come from) are racists.

I'll say that again: these people are racists. They should be given no more respect than a black person should give a member of the National Front or the KKK, or a Jew should give Hamas, or a British Asian should give the BNP and so on and so forth.



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21 Jan 2013, 3:02 am

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No, it is not ignorant. These people would not exist if not for slavery. They would never have been brought here and would never have been born. That is all I was saying. The past was terrible in many ways, but it was what it was and it brought us to the places we are today, for better or for worse. I am surprised at the level of sappy think on an AS forum. G


Oh its not sappy at all. Also my presentation is logical--the statement that African American's wouldn't have existed if not for slavery has no basis whatsoever. I could also present the counter argument--that certain people of 'african descent' stopped existing, because of slaverys direct impact. Which i'm sure you're aware of.

Slavery brought them over, but it did not have to be the only method to accomplish that. I get your intent with the statement, just its not necessarily correct and has no basis.

Do many african american citizens thrive in the U.S.? Yep. But in my opinion is the result of societal progress--and slavery isn't even close to being a factor in that. Slavery even being seen as responsible for a mass transportation of people to point A to point B, is only the choice that happened--not what could've.



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21 Jan 2013, 3:49 am

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alleng wrote:
haha, are you serious? There is nothing to be ashamed of.

I love it when some bleeding heart pops up to tell me of my white male privilege... coming from Appalachia, from a disastrous trash family, I can really relate, oh sure. These people are so stupid.

Not to mention my disability, which caused me no end of setbacks such that I have hardly had a career up until now.

Some white people really do suck, I have to admit. But most are just trying to get by, like all the rest.

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This guy has a very good point. Whites can be just as vulnerable to degradation and malignment and ostracism as any other racial group.

I often think the reason so many ''White Trash'' (and I despise the phrase, but just for the sake of argument) families are so looked down on is because they remind ''higher status'' whites that they are just as prey to social exclusion as any other group.
Ive spent a lot of my life in bad neighborhoods and as a result faced racism with death threats and being attacked just because I am white and they bring up slavery etc. When In school I would be bullied a lot of times just because Im white called white trash cr****r honkey devil and told the reason why my skin turns red and sheds like a snake when im in the sun light too long is because Im a devil. I have told the teachers about the racism but they ignored it. Every time I tried to stick up for myself I ended up being the one in trouble over time it has sinked in and I began to keep the self hating guilt ever since. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/are ... phenomenon here is a link to the overlooking of racism against caucasians.


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21 Jan 2013, 10:35 am

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I'm utterly PROUD to be white and decidedly oppose mixing of the races and "multicultural" junk. Apartheid would be a good thing, however I didn't say that others should get inferior stuff unless they prove they don't deserve better.


Well there are many races in the world, a whole planet of mixing of the races.....so what ever will you do?


There are only some people who are into that interracial stuff, i.e., mixing the races. Otherwise, there would be no more distinguishable races but only one single hodgepodge.

Yes, the state of affairs is sad and worrying. Unfortunately, there's nothing I can do about other people and their behavior. That doesn't mean, however, that I have to approve of it.



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21 Jan 2013, 3:20 pm

Well, it's a good thing that you recognize your white privilege and it's good that you recognize that racism is still a huge issue in society, but feeling guilty for your race doesn't help anybody. It doesn't stop racism from happening and it won't redeem you. Take a stand against racism, by all means, but don't beat yourself up for something that is outwith your control. You didn't choose to be the way that you are and you had no say in how you grew up. What's f****d up about white privilege is that it shouldn't be a privilege for anyone - nobody should be judged by their race, or their ethnic background. Nobody should be at a greater risk of being harmed or exploited because of their race. Everyone should benefit from these things, not just white people.



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21 Jan 2013, 5:16 pm

Sometimes thoughts of gathering by the masses and announcing an apology followed by performing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seppuku would redeem the wrong doings that whites have done. But I would be considered extreme and taking things to far though but sometimes I think thats what it would have to take for such a slate to be wiped clean. I dont think I would go that far though but that is probably what it would take those constantly hateful to change their opinions of caucasians.


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21 Jan 2013, 5:22 pm

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I know this might be odd to say this but a lot of times I feel guilty for being white and having to take the blame for all the history that other caucasian groups have done. All the racism and such even to other whites like the Irish. I have been hassled alot for being white and it is sinking in that I am subhuman and scum and I am starting to accept that its ok to hate myself for being white at times. Although none of my ancestors partook in enslaving others I still feel guilty of the history otherwhites have done from the near extermination of aboriginal people of countries they settle in or invade to slavery and segregaton.


90% of black people are alive today because of all the technology introduced to them by Whites. Just think of that.

All the races have a will for domination - and some of them still express it today, far more cruelly than any White people ever did. Whites where just better at it.