Hating my Aspergers and jealousy.

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11 May 2013, 12:25 pm

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I talked to him earlier and told him I'm sorry because I really don't want to be the henpecking woman telling him what to do, but that this porn thing is really bothering me and I can't go every day wondering if I should gain weight/did something wrong/he's bored of me/etc.and asked him if he could cut back to maybe once a week and/or if we're supposed to see each other and something happens, instead of nearly every day. He said of course he can do that and that he'll eventually try to stop because he knows not everyone uses it. I think it's kind of a habit he has because he was single for so long - we got together when he was 23 and I'm his first. Either way, I appreciate him bring so understanding. We reached a compromise to make us both happy. :) Also, it comforted me that he'd been lying about it this whole time to protect my feelings; I initially believed he stopped when we got together and started again recently because of something I did/said/he was bored of me/etc.

I'm so glad you worked through it! :)


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13 May 2013, 10:40 pm

Wow. I have been through the exact same thing, the exact same mind-trap. I could never understand what made it different than cheating, and I finally had enough and left. It's just something I can't get past and I had such breakdowns over it that I was much happier alone. I can't explain to anyone, or ever have been that feeling that jealousy was and still is the worst, ugliest feeling I've ever had.

That all just came rushing back to me so hard that my hands feel a little bit numb.



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13 May 2013, 11:14 pm

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Wow. I have been through the exact same thing, the exact same mind-trap. I could never understand what made it different than cheating, and I finally had enough and left. It's just something I can't get past and I had such breakdowns over it that I was much happier alone. I can't explain to anyone, or ever have been that feeling that jealousy was and still is the worst, ugliest feeling I've ever had.

That all just came rushing back to me so hard that my hands feel a little bit numb.

It is one of the hardest emotions to deal with rationally!


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13 May 2013, 11:19 pm

@ceruleanblue I feel sad for you that it happened but it feels good to know I wasn't alone. I got past it by having a frank discussion with my boyfriend and trusting him when I told him to be honest about some things and asked him a series of questions, ending with what was he doingwith me of he could look at porn? He listed a number of things I can do that porn can't, such as hold him, talk to him and be there for him at stressful times. My mother is the same way you are and was disturbed and angry when I told her what was wrong. She felt like he has been faking this good little boy attitude since we got together and that she hates porn because it objectifies women. We had an argument about whether I have a problem with it or not and I told her I don't have an issue with it objectifying women due to several reasons and that the reason I objected is because I'm afraid men look at the women and compare them to their girlfriends/wives, wanting the porn stars and expecting women they date to look like them; that it sets an impossible standard in men's minds. I was also afraid it meant he wasn't happy with me. But after a series of arguments I know it isn't necessarily true for him.


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14 May 2013, 12:33 am

I have seriously been looking for the answer to why I felt like that for years and years, all over the place but it seemed like I was the only one who took it that far.

EMG, I'm glad you found a compromise, that's awesome.

Hartz, you hit the nail right on the head. It's so hard for me, and was hard for me to deal with because I couldn't pin my feelings down and figure them out like a puzzle, it was pure, endless loop of irrational fear and anger that I was somehow being fooled by someone /again/ who I thought loved me. In my case, it turned out we just weren't good together for a lot of reasons/circumstances that had little or nothing to do with this issue.

This is why I really stay away from relationships, I feel like they make me a little ( a lot) crazy when I actually fall for someone, and if I don't fall for them, I feel too detached for things like this to bother me, but too detached to really be happy, either.

Long story short, it's an enormous relief to know that I'm not the only one who's felt exactly what EMG did, word for word. Thank you for sharing that, I feel much less freakish and strange for flipping out, even if that was a good ten years ago.



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14 May 2013, 12:47 pm

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Hartz, you hit the nail right on the head. It's so hard for me, and was hard for me to deal with because I couldn't pin my feelings down and figure them out like a puzzle, it was pure, endless loop of irrational fear and anger that I was somehow being fooled by someone /again/ who I thought loved me. In my case, it turned out we just weren't good together for a lot of reasons/circumstances that had little or nothing to do with this issue.

I can so relate, that's why. I still struggle with doubting my reality or feelings of irrational jealousy over the slightest things. I doesn't mean I am a jealous person necessarily. It is more that sometimes I feel like I am walking around blindfolded and trying to figure out what is going on the same room with me. Darn Aspergers! :(


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14 May 2013, 6:31 pm

Again, I'm so, so, so relieved to hear that I'm not the only one.

In my case at least, I think it has to do with my black and white way of thinking about things. I only feel 'safe' if I have 100% certainty that whomever I'm dating will never be interested in anyone else, fictional, cartoon or otherwise. If I don't have that, I get jealous because there's always a possibility and it hangs over my head like a sword waiting to drop. Eventually I just can't stand the tension and the waiting to be left and I leave instead because I'm so worn out.

It's irrational, completely irrational, but when I'm actually in the situation, I can't stop thinking about things that way.



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17 May 2013, 11:13 pm

He came over last night and, after he suggested I install a filter on his computer to help him stop, I did so - but not before looking at two pictures from his history. One was a butt in yoga pants, the other a bare pair of breasts at least 1.5 cup sizes better than mine. I began crying uncontrollably and told him how he was a liar for claiming mine were perfect and saying yoga pants were distasteful. He made up a stupid excuse to protect himself about how he didn't want the pictures I'd sent him over the phone to be in his computer. I told him how I now know I'm not his ideal, that he wants those far more beautiful women in his computer and really wishes I had better breasts. After fighting about it for an hour he claimed again I was his ideal (after also telling me I should gain weight and get a bigger butt - then backtracking and claiming it was for my 'health'). I'm sick of all the lying. If he wants other women so much why doesn't he go be with them and stop emotionally abusing me? Now I'm worried my bottom isn't big enough too. To top it off he got upset and said I made him feel like a "piece of sh** stereotype" because I said all that, asked if he never loved me or wanted me (he claimed he does), asked how many times he'd been to strip clubs since we were together, and how many of those gorgeous girls in his ACS group he wanted or thought of hooking up with. HA! That's like smashing my heart with a hammer and complaining his arm hurts! He asked me a couple times last night why didn't I just dump him, and I told him it's because I love him and am not throwing away eight months. He claimed he loves me too and doesn't want me to leave him but that I seem to be wanting to. He didn't understand how hurt I was until I asked him all that stuff that almost made him cry! :D We ended up making up but if he pulls anything like this again I am DONE, and I warned him as such.

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Fool me twice, now I'm letting you go"
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17 May 2013, 11:18 pm

"Fool me once,shame on you,
Fool me twice,shame on me."

Just food for thought.


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18 May 2013, 1:44 am

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He came over last night and, after he suggested I install a filter on his computer to help him stop, I did so - but not before looking at two pictures from his history. One was a butt in yoga pants, the other a bare pair of breasts at least 1.5 cup sizes better than mine. I began crying uncontrollably and told him how he was a liar for claiming mine were perfect and saying yoga pants were distasteful. He made up a stupid excuse to protect himself about how he didn't want the pictures I'd sent him over the phone to be in his computer. I told him how I now know I'm not his ideal, that he wants those far more beautiful women in his computer and really wishes I had better breasts. After fighting about it for an hour he claimed again I was his ideal (after also telling me I should gain weight and get a bigger butt - then backtracking and claiming it was for my 'health'). I'm sick of all the lying. If he wants other women so much why doesn't he go be with them and stop emotionally abusing me? Now I'm worried my bottom isn't big enough too. To top it off he got upset and said I made him feel like a "piece of sh** stereotype" because I said all that, asked if he never loved me or wanted me (he claimed he does), asked how many times he'd been to strip clubs since we were together, and how many of those gorgeous girls in his ACS group he wanted or thought of hooking up with. HA! That's like smashing my heart with a hammer and complaining his arm hurts! He asked me a couple times last night why didn't I just dump him, and I told him it's because I love him and am not throwing away eight months. He claimed he loves me too and doesn't want me to leave him but that I seem to be wanting to. He didn't understand how hurt I was until I asked him all that stuff that almost made him cry! :D We ended up making up but if he pulls anything like this again I am DONE, and I warned him as such.

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Honestly, it's not my relationship, but I think he has a history of dishonesty, and while your extreme jealousy is likely partly due to being an Aspie and black and white thinking ... he sounds sketchier and sketchier every time you post about him.


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18 May 2013, 6:25 am

I know how you feel. My only ex and I didn't last very long together for many reasons; one being that he got off on cartoon pictures of fictional chicks, often with animal features, and I felt as if he only wanted me for the sake of a relationship, or even worse, was going to make me dress as a fox or something if we ever got to the sexual stage, and the way he spoke to me so openly about his love of cartoon porn made me feel inferior.

I feel as if us AS girls in general are misunderstood by the boys... they think that we're all undersexed creatures, therefore they need to find an alternative source of sexual pleasure, but it ends up backfiring. Just my 2 cents though.

BTW I hate Game of Thrones too... read all the books during my brief fantasy phase, still don't mind them now, but I don't have the attention span to watch an ongoing TV series with episodes that are ~1 hour each, and the nudity can get really disgusting too.


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18 May 2013, 6:35 am

My uy watching porn and all used to bother me so bad. Then I thought about it. My philosophy now is watch all the porn you want. Then on top of that, take your butt out there and try to get one of those porn girls. Try as hard as you can too.

Then see what happens.

That's what I'm saying. Cause it doesn't happen.


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18 May 2013, 10:13 am

@OliveOilMom The fact he looks at naked pictures of normal girls instead of fake actresses makes me feel the only reason he isn't physically cheating is that he doesn't know any of them in real life.


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18 May 2013, 10:18 am

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My uy watching porn and all used to bother me so bad. Then I thought about it. My philosophy now is watch all the porn you want. Then on top of that, take your butt out there and try to get one of those porn girls. Try as hard as you can too.

Then see what happens.

That's what I'm saying. Cause it doesn't happen.


That's hilarious. My thinking is, though, that to me, they already know they can't get a girl like that. I remember yelling at an old boyfriend of mine (who was a loser anyway) that I knew he'd never actually be with one of those porn girls like he promised ... because he couldn't get one to look twice at him.

But what bothers me about it is they KNOW they can't get those girls, and that's why I felt he was dating me, so he could think about THEM and use me like a blow up doll because I was the "average" girl that he COULD get. Nothing like being settled for to crush your soul. I find it disgusting.



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18 May 2013, 11:49 am

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Honestly, it's not my relationship, but I think he has a history of dishonesty, and while your extreme jealousy is likely partly due to being an Aspie and black and white thinking ... he sounds sketchier and sketchier every time you post about him.


There are two sides to the story as always.

What I've seen in the multiple threads the OP has made on the subject of her breasts, boyfriend issues, porn , etc is a constant pattern of:

1- The guy being.. well, a guy. He walks down a street and sees a girl with a great body and his gaze is on her for a while.
1b- She gets upset he does this. Very upset.

2- She has permanent body image issues, particularly about her breast size and constantly dumps all that emotional angst on him.
2b- He, I think, does his best to help her with these issues and puts up with practically constant downward spirals caused by her self image problems.

3- If he watches porn or has pictures of naked women on his computer she instantly assumes he is 'emotionally cheating' on her and thinks her breasts are small and he doesn't love her or she isn't good enough for her.
3b- Like #2 he puts up with this.

If anything, this guy shows a tremendous amount of patience and dedication to her. The only reasons I can think he does this is either A) he loves her or B) She's great in bed and he can get it from her at the drop of a hat. I think its A for if it was B he wouldve found another girl for such a need long ago. From what she has posted in the last two threads about this, the guy is showing visible signs of getting tired of this situation which apparently doesn't end. He seems to love and and tries to keep things stable but everything and everyone has a tolerance limit.

Emo, I am not trying to be harsh towards you. I think you need to acknowledge you have a very big problem with your body image, obsessive thoughts and jealousy. I've mentioned in your other threads that if it comes to it, the reason he will leave you will not be your body but your self-issues.

Please go to a therapist if you have not done so already. You're beautiful , sexy and you have a sharp mind. You need to get these obsessive thoughts under control or they will wreck your emotional/social/intimate life.



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18 May 2013, 11:57 am

It's A and B, not meaning to brag. And I don't see what's so wrong with me being upset if he wants to have sex with another girl? Even my friend who's a psych major graduating today said I should be enough for my boyfriend and he shouldn't be thinking about wanting to f**k other girls. Again, a conniving, shallow behavior is supposed to be laughed off as "a guy thing!". What next? If he goes to a strip club and does everything but penetration should that be laughed off as "a guy thing!" too? What is too much?!


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