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14 Oct 2014, 11:05 am

As a kid and up to my early 20s (still relevant now), I've steered away from meeting people thinking that my own mother or anyone in my family would get a search team or ring up the police to report that I am missing. There are other reasons such as safeguarding along with being "street-wise" and keeping away from drugs and alcohol.
Primarily, I've always thought that I shouldn't socialise even with friends who are trustworthy due to this... Anytime I've been out of my home without a family member looking over me is almost never.

I believe it's my fear of actually having my family do this to me along with the thought of disappointing them. I do like and love my family but there shouldn't be a point where it feels like they should be the only ones I can be around or at least one of them has to be there as a measure of supervision. It's not that I would take drugs or get so drunk where I mess up my brain but my family do believe I would give in to peer pressure and do these things.

I feel as though this is going to continue in my life and that I can't really do anything about it. Some friends did ask if I wanted to hang out then and the very odd time now but I've always reverted to my beliefs of what I was told before...

Does anyone else have this situation? Is this a situation I have created out of fear or something that was somewhat enforced or drilled into my head as a safety measure?

As a sidenote, when I say family, I'm mainly thinking of my immediate family. (mother, siblings, aunt and uncle and finally my cousins.) and while not all of them are behind the idea, they support each other as a unit. Mainly this is my mother and my siblings that make the plans or make those kind of choices.
Yes, there were times where I did refuse due to not wanting to go out but that was in my childhood and teenage years. I'd like to do stuff now but feels like I can't do so and that I'll end up isolating myself to the outside world.

What should I do?


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14 Oct 2014, 12:33 pm

Your actions would depend on your capabilities so I?d suggest you note what they are before making a decision.

To not be able to go out without supervision would hint at severe disability. So whether or not it?s a safety measure only you can answer or someone who knows you.

If however you have the base capabilities such as rudimentary communication required to get home if you get lost, rudimentary problem solving to read a map or find your way around plan your route and the proper equipment required to traverse it usually just water, normal sensory requirements such as the ability to identify dangerous temperature either hot or cold and the solution to either case or adequate compensations in place to deal with such sensory deficiencies, ability to identify the state of dehydration and starvation and knowledge of how to deal with either case and similarly adequate compensations to deal with any deficiencies. Adequate theory of mind so you're capable of identifying the consequences of your actions such as jumping off a building will kill you or going to a dangerous part of town might be a bad idea. Adequate world knowledge and theory of mind to follow basic transportation rules such as you're supposed to stick to the sidewalk and the ability to identify transportation signals such as a red hand on the crosswalk means stop don't want you walking into the middle of a street and the ability to identify beforehand a car is going to hit you if you do. And of course severe meltdowns or the like you need the ability to maintain a semi lucid state which is capable of providing support for your base requirements thus achieving survival if your prone to loosing control over your actions and foresight of the consequences it would be bad. But so long as you can retain the control to extricate yourself from an overwhelming situation then you should be good. Also on the note of world information you'll need to understand how to properly deal with police and communicate any deficiencies you have. Specifically you'll need to be able to follow instructions if a gun is pointed to your head while it's a very small possibility this will occur it is something every person should be able to do before going out if they want to maximize their odds of survival. It is not unheard of for police to shoot if commands are not obeyed. So long as all the base requirements are met then you should be fine to go wherever you want.



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14 Oct 2014, 1:26 pm

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Your actions would depend on your capabilities so I?d suggest you note what they are before making a decision.

To not be able to go out without supervision would hint at severe disability. So whether or not it?s a safety measure only you can answer or someone who knows you.

If however you have the base capabilities such as rudimentary communication required to get home if you get lost, rudimentary problem solving to read a map or find your way around plan your route and the proper equipment required to traverse it usually just water, normal sensory requirements such as the ability to identify dangerous temperature either hot or cold and the solution to either case or adequate compensations in place to deal with such sensory deficiencies, ability to identify the state of dehydration and starvation and knowledge of how to deal with either case and similarly adequate compensations to deal with any deficiencies. Adequate theory of mind so you're capable of identifying the consequences of your actions such as jumping off a building will kill you or going to a dangerous part of town might be a bad idea. Adequate world knowledge and theory of mind to follow basic transportation rules such as you're supposed to stick to the sidewalk and the ability to identify transportation signals such as a red hand on the crosswalk means stop don't want you walking into the middle of a street and the ability to identify beforehand a car is going to hit you if you do. And of course severe meltdowns or the like you need the ability to maintain a semi lucid state which is capable of providing support for your base requirements thus achieving survival if your prone to loosing control over your actions and foresight of the consequences it would be bad. But so long as you can retain the control to extricate yourself from an overwhelming situation then you should be good. Also on the note of world information you'll need to understand how to properly deal with police and communicate any deficiencies you have. Specifically you'll need to be able to follow instructions if a gun is pointed to your head while it's a very small possibility this will occur it is something every person should be able to do before going out if they want to maximize their odds of survival. It is not unheard of for police to shoot if commands are not obeyed. So long as all the base requirements are met then you should be fine to go wherever you want.


Police don't use guns here so that shouldn't be an issue. Though I get your point if I was in a hostage situation which is also a very small possibility.

I wouldn't say I was severely disabled, that's the thing. I can safely say I could do a majority of those things in my own town/city. Maybe not exactly all of the problems you raised but I believe I have necessary knowledge to be able to be trusted somewhere within a perimeter of 5/10 meters away.
If I'm honest, a majority of people wouldn't know I was autistic unless they have had to specifically deal with it themselves.


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14 Oct 2014, 1:59 pm

What couldn't you do?



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14 Oct 2014, 5:48 pm

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What couldn't you do?

Well in my mind, I have the general knowledge of all of those that you have listed.
The problem is apparently peer pressure by knowing not to succumb to what others want and believing it's not a big deal.
While I could simply walk away from the situation, I wouldn't want to walk away from my friends...


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14 Oct 2014, 7:41 pm

Do you have an example of your problem with peer pressure? What you fear, specifically, would happen should you go out unsupervised? You?ve said you won?t do drugs or alcohol. You?ve admitted you have analytical capability to think through the consequences of your actions so they shouldn?t be able to get you to jump off anything or commit any crimes. The one possibility that comes to my mind is this girl over in Europe due to peer pressure she jumped off a building and killed herself. It?s a sport I forget what it?s called but the boys did it first then her friend did and finally she did but she didn?t complete the jump to the next building and she thus died. Made a bit of a splatt a few stories down. So long as you possess the analytical capability to realize you?d likely die from such an activity then quite frankly at that point peer pressure no longer exists as a problem only a measure of your desperation so I really struggle to understand where your problem is. The girl in the above example was not mentally challenged so I must presume she knew the risks and made her choice like the others did. It's quite normal actually for people to risk their lives for social acceptance albeit obviously dangerous and I wouldn't personally advise it.

I think that makes a good question actually. So imagine, if you can, you?ve got three friends jump from one highrise to another they all make it have a great time they?re smiling and laughing and now it?s your turn they've all done it all proven it's possible so you know you can do it. So they?re yelling at you to jump, come on, don?t ruin it, don?t be a coward, you?ll be fine, come on, they?re chanting your name, do it!! In this situation? what are you going to do and why? Note there is no right or wrong answer. If you say you'd do it you're still normal and worthy of being out unsupervised. I just want to see if you're willing to kill yourself to get socially accepted.



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16 Oct 2014, 3:11 am

CuddleHug wrote:
Do you have an example of your problem with peer pressure? What you fear, specifically, would happen should you go out unsupervised?

I personally don't have that many fears. This again goes to my family who have these fears due to what they have witnessed with people who have alcohol and drug problems and fear I would be enticed by alcohol/drugs.
So taking your situation of these three friends say to just drink one shot of whiskey or one puff. "come on, don?t ruin it, don?t be a coward, you?ll be fine, come on, they?re chanting your name, do it!!" and I do... then they ask me to do it again. Then there's that point where I don't quite recall how much I have taken. Yeah, that's more the situation I believe my family have concerns about.

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You?ve said you won?t do drugs or alcohol. You?ve admitted you have analytical capability to think through the consequences of your actions so they shouldn?t be able to get you to jump off anything or commit any crimes. The one possibility that comes to my mind is this girl over in Europe due to peer pressure she jumped off a building and killed herself. It?s a sport I forget what it?s called but the boys did it first then her friend did and finally she did but she didn?t complete the jump to the next building and she thus died. Made a bit of a splatt a few stories down. So long as you possess the analytical capability to realize you?d likely die from such an activity then quite frankly at that point peer pressure no longer exists as a problem only a measure of your desperation so I really struggle to understand where your problem is. The girl in the above example was not mentally challenged so I must presume she knew the risks and made her choice like the others did. It's quite normal actually for people to risk their lives for social acceptance albeit obviously dangerous and I wouldn't personally advise it.

Sounds very similar to Parkour/Freerunning which is something I know of, not something I do or advise. The situation my family fear is that I would be peer pressured into drinking alcohol and taking drugs and end up on some back alley.

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I think that makes a good question actually. So imagine, if you can, you?ve got three friends jump from one highrise to another they all make it have a great time they?re smiling and laughing and now it?s your turn they've all done it all proven it's possible so you know you can do it. So they?re yelling at you to jump, come on, don?t ruin it, don?t be a coward, you?ll be fine, come on, they?re chanting your name, do it!! In this situation? what are you going to do and why? Note there is no right or wrong answer. If you say you'd do it you're still normal and worthy of being out unsupervised. I just want to see if you're willing to kill yourself to get socially accepted.

Well, one I'd look at the actual gap between one highrise and the one where they are stood. Secondly, I would note any consequences for not jumping the gap other than not being socially accepted such as there could be a stranger with a knife that followed unnoticed saying that if I don't, I'd be killed. (I'd obviously jump in order to save my life in that situation as it would be a situation I'd want to escape from.)
If I felt it was a jump I would make normally, I'd possibly jump the gap but if it was a distance that looks far too risky (as an example... 15 feet) then I'd rather live.


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16 Oct 2014, 11:16 am

From everything you?ve said then your family?s concerns are unjustified. You have analytical capability, clearly defined ideals(said you wouldn?t do drugs or alcohol which makes it impossible that you would ever end up in a back alley drunk unless you changed your mind and wanted that to happen. Which is of course the privilege of being an adult and in the end your choice.) so I cannot understand the reasoning behind why you?d need to be supervised at your current age.

I understand why it happened in the past. When a person is young they should be supervised in a regard to stay away from drugs and the like but this is because the child doesn?t have the analytical capability to realize the consequences of their actions nor take responsibility for them. This would continue to apply to an adult with deficient mental capability per why I asked but for someone such as yourself it cannot apply. Hence I think you should go out and socialize with who you want to. Your family shouldn?t stop you from that and in most developed countries they can?t. I?m guessing you?re from England and if so I know they can?t stop you over there. I don?t see any way they could have made themselves your legal representatives that would have required extreme mental deficiency of which you do not exhibit.

Did your family never make the transition from treating you like a child to an adult in the normal timeframe? That is the only logical explanation left that I can think of. I hope you are aware that that transition exists. I don?t have a specific age it should happen but definitely by 18. The transition where you can do what you want and make your own choices in what path your life takes. Where you don?t have to do what they say or ask for their permission to do something that does not affect them like go outside. I must admit my family never informed me of that transition either and it caused me complications as well.

I should however note that so long as your parents pay for your food, housing, etc, if they do, then there are certain things that you can't do without their permission such as drink because it affects them. But going out with friends in a normal, safe, productive, and socially acceptable way is only normal and is extremely rare for parents to forbid. Of course if your parents did pay for everything and they refused to allow this normal social interaction then to do it would jeopardize your survival and it would be thus impossible. You'd have to discuss it with them to determine the privileges they are willing to afford you in exchange for your continued survival. This complication is however negated if you pay for your survival yourself. The only reason it exists is because quite bluntly they'd be giving you something you needed and in return you'd have to give them whatever they wanted.



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19 Oct 2014, 3:43 am

CuddleHug wrote:
From everything you?ve said then your family?s concerns are unjustified. You have analytical capability, clearly defined ideals(said you wouldn?t do drugs or alcohol which makes it impossible that you would ever end up in a back alley drunk unless you changed your mind and wanted that to happen. Which is of course the privilege of being an adult and in the end your choice.) so I cannot understand the reasoning behind why you?d need to be supervised at your current age.

I understand why it happened in the past. When a person is young they should be supervised in a regard to stay away from drugs and the like but this is because the child doesn?t have the analytical capability to realize the consequences of their actions nor take responsibility for them. This would continue to apply to an adult with deficient mental capability per why I asked but for someone such as yourself it cannot apply. Hence I think you should go out and socialize with who you want to. Your family shouldn?t stop you from that and in most developed countries they can?t. I?m guessing you?re from England and if so I know they can?t stop you over there. I don?t see any way they could have made themselves your legal representatives that would have required extreme mental deficiency of which you do not exhibit.

Did your family never make the transition from treating you like a child to an adult in the normal timeframe? That is the only logical explanation left that I can think of. I hope you are aware that that transition exists. I don?t have a specific age it should happen but definitely by 18. The transition where you can do what you want and make your own choices in what path your life takes. Where you don?t have to do what they say or ask for their permission to do something that does not affect them like go outside. I must admit my family never informed me of that transition either and it caused me complications as well.

I should however note that so long as your parents pay for your food, housing, etc, if they do, then there are certain things that you can't do without their permission such as drink because it affects them. But going out with friends in a normal, safe, productive, and socially acceptable way is only normal and is extremely rare for parents to forbid. Of course if your parents did pay for everything and they refused to allow this normal social interaction then to do it would jeopardize your survival and it would be thus impossible. You'd have to discuss it with them to determine the privileges they are willing to afford you in exchange for your continued survival. This complication is however negated if you pay for your survival yourself. The only reason it exists is because quite bluntly they'd be giving you something you needed and in return you'd have to give them whatever they wanted.


You guessed correctly.
Kinda had a talk and it's that my family don't know my friends like I do... They haven't seen me with them or anything like that.


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