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IsabellaLinton
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25 Oct 2021, 11:45 am

I didn't know that people could shut off signatures just for certain threads? I thought if you turn them off, they disappear from all threads? Or do you mean people should manually delete (backspace) their signature when in The Haven?

I don't use a signature so maybe I've got this all confused.



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25 Oct 2021, 11:48 am

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I don't do CBT so I don't need to be trained on it.
I believe those who wrote this are specialists on it. Challenging patient's beliefs happen in safe, structured settings and require patient's cooperation before they start.


Well, I don't do CBT either. But fundamental principles which are foundation of mental health you say against mainstream psychology are part of it.



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25 Oct 2021, 11:50 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
I didn't know that people could shut off signatures just for certain threads? I thought if you turn them off, they disappear from all threads? Or do you mean people should manually delete (backspace) their signature when in The Haven?

I don't use a signature so maybe I've got this all confused.


Yes there's an option at the bottom of where you type your post. I only discovered it on my return to WP the other week and then I turned it off altogether.



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25 Oct 2021, 11:50 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
I didn't know that people could shut off signatures just for certain threads? I thought if you turn them off, they disappear from all threads? Or do you mean people should manually delete (backspace) their signature when in The Haven?

I don't use a signature so maybe I've got this all confused.


When you post from a computer (not sure about other devices) you get a checkbox for Attach a signature so as long as you remember you can turn it off for that one post.



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25 Oct 2021, 11:50 am

You can turn off your signature in a specific post.
I understand, Fnord's suggestion is to always turn them off in The Haven and FXE's idea is - maybe it's possible to disable signatures in The Haven by default or even force hide them by the administrator.


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25 Oct 2021, 11:51 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
I didn't know that people could shut off signatures just for certain threads? I thought if you turn them off, they disappear from all threads? Or do you mean people should manually delete (backspace) their signature when in The Haven?  I don't use a signature so maybe I've got this all confused.
Look below the "View more smilies" link, and you will likely see a check-box next to the words "Attach a signature (signatures can be altered via the UCP)".  Clicking the checkbox puts a white-on-blue checkmark in that box, and allows your sigline to be seen under that post.  Clicking the checkbox to remove the checkmark removes your sigline from that post only.

It is a convenient tool when you do not want attention drawn away from the main body of your post.



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25 Oct 2021, 11:53 am

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It does seem a little ironic that BR seems upset and the methodology at the beginning of the Topic isn't being used, and that a conversation about caring turns into a fight.

As someone who doesn't get a lot of time to spend on here and doesn't have history with anyone I'm disappointed by how the conversation is going.

BR, you do come off as passionate, and also antagonistic (at least in this thread). I get that you have some strongly held views that make perfect sense to you and that you have thought about a lot. I happen to be quite interested in diet, exercise, hormones, receptors, etc. currently. However, I can't think what outcome you're trying to achieve though. If it is to change people's minds and have them agree with you, then a perceived aggressive approach is unlikely to have that effect. If it is to win a conversation and be right, well, I'm not sure there's much value in that, even if it were possible. If you're seeking validation for your perspective, well, putting it out there is ok but maybe people just don't agree with you, or don't understand it and don't care to. Text can be an amazing communication mechanism but rarely when someone is angry. Repeating the same message/argument in slightly different ways doesn't usually change anyone's mind either; not pleasantly. A super technical and hard to read/understand perspective isn't useful either. I know I wouldn't be able to have a specific in depth discussion about brain chemistry and depression and how it may or may not might be changed in specific ways by doing specific things. Just because I couldn't do that doesn't make me an idiot. You might be right, you might be wrong, how would I know? Also, what works for one person doesn't universally have the same effect for everyone. Things are complicated and I personally distrust anyone who 'has the answer' and doesn't approach a conversation with the humility that they might be wrong. I get that you're upset how you've been treated. What outcome do you expect/want the way you've been going about the conversation to have? I hope you don't feel attacked by what I've written; I'm genuinely confused by your behaviour and how it is likely to end in a positive outcome. Is it that this conversation is a hangover from some other conversation that has upset you previously? As I said, I'm confused.

It's quite clear that some people are annoyed by BR and his views and the way he goes about expressing them. You could just ignore BR. Nobody is forcing you to reply, agree, or engage with him in any way. Some of the behaviour has fed the flames as it were and seems as though it was intended to score points. Just seems a pointless waste of time, bandwidth, and storage.

This message is probably a waste of time too. I'd just like to ask everyone feeling irate to check yourselves.

I'm not antagonistic at all. magz, fnord, BeaArthur and FXE consistently attack me over my approach and create drama, that's all. Their tiny mean clique is what causes all the trouble every time.



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25 Oct 2021, 11:54 am

magz wrote:
You can turn off your signature in a specific post.
I understand, Fnord's suggestion is to always turn them off in The Haven and FXE's idea is - maybe it's possible to disable signatures in The Haven by default or even force hide them by the administrator.


The only concern I have about requiring them to be turned off manually is in a community of people where executive function issues are the norm it might be really hard to find a balance between accommodating that issue and enforcing the rule adequately.



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25 Oct 2021, 11:55 am

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Well, I don't do CBT either. But fundamental principles which are foundation of mental health you say against mainstream psychology are part of it.
Can you name these "fundamental principles which are foundation of mental health"?
Hint: making a person uncomfortable to force them to change is not one of them.


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25 Oct 2021, 11:57 am

badRobot wrote:
magz, fnord, BeaArthur and FXE consistently attack me over my approach and create drama, that's all. Their tiny mean clique is what causes all the trouble every time.


BeaArthur hasn't participated in any of the threads you've been trying to refight the battles that led to your break from the forum. I'm sorry you didn't like the outcome you got last time but making up a list of your detractors to collect and antagonize in hopes you'll get a better outcome probably isn't going to get you the outcome you'd like.



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25 Oct 2021, 11:59 am

magz wrote:
badRobot wrote:
Well, I don't do CBT either. But fundamental principles which are foundation of mental health you say against mainstream psychology are part of it.
Can you name these "fundamental principles which are foundation of mental health"?
Hint: making a person uncomfortable to force them to change is not one of them.

We already had this discussion in "biopsychosocial model" thread.

And I'm not making a person uncomfortable, I'm reframing what this person feels uncomfortable about. That's a huuuuuuuuuuge difference you don't understand because you have only surface level grasp in this area.



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25 Oct 2021, 11:59 am

funeralxempire wrote:
magz wrote:
You can turn off your signature in a specific post.
I understand, Fnord's suggestion is to always turn them off in The Haven and FXE's idea is - maybe it's possible to disable signatures in The Haven by default or even force hide them by the administrator.
The only concern I have about requiring them to be turned off manually is in a community of people where executive function issues are the norm it might be really hard to find a balance between accommodating that issue and enforcing the rule adequately.
Definitely, enforcing, or even applying such a rule would be hard exactly for this reason. Additionally, many use WP on mobile devices, where it gets even harder.


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25 Oct 2021, 12:00 pm

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badRobot wrote:
magz, fnord, BeaArthur and FXE consistently attack me over my approach and create drama, that's all. Their tiny mean clique is what causes all the trouble every time.
BeaArthur hasn't participated in any of the threads you've been trying to refight the battles that led to your break from the forum. I'm sorry you didn't like the outcome you got last time but making up a list of your detractors to collect and antagonize in hopes you'll get a better outcome probably isn't going to get you the outcome you'd like.
Who is "FXE"?



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25 Oct 2021, 12:02 pm

badRobot wrote:
magz wrote:
badRobot wrote:
Well, I don't do CBT either. But fundamental principles which are foundation of mental health you say against mainstream psychology are part of it.
Can you name these "fundamental principles which are foundation of mental health"?
Hint: making a person uncomfortable to force them to change is not one of them.

We already had this discussion in "biopsychosocial model" thread.

And I'm not making a person uncomfortable, I'm reframing what this person feels uncomfortable about. That's a huuuuuuuuuuge difference you don't understand because you have only surface level grasp in this area.


How many people need to tell you that you make them feel uncomfortable before you consider that maybe you contribute additional discomfort?



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25 Oct 2021, 12:02 pm

badRobot wrote:
magz wrote:
badRobot wrote:
Well, I don't do CBT either. But fundamental principles which are foundation of mental health you say against mainstream psychology are part of it.
Can you name these "fundamental principles which are foundation of mental health"?
Hint: making a person uncomfortable to force them to change is not one of them.

We already had this discussion in "biopsychosocial model" thread.

And I'm not making a person uncomfortable, I'm reframing what this person feels uncomfortable about. That's a huuuuuuuuuuge difference you don't understand because you have only surface level grasp in this area.

Ask all the people who asked you to leave their The Haven threads weather you made them uncomfortable or not.


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25 Oct 2021, 12:03 pm

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Who is "FXE"?
Funeralxempire.


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