Is it ''Un-masculine'' to talk about mental health ?

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15 Jan 2022, 12:32 pm

There have been times when I beat myself (obviously not physically) for expressing my anxiety and becoming tearful at times because I just felt like the only one feeling like and that every other guy holds it all on and doesn't express it even if they might have Aspergers or Autism. I know a part of me thinks that is not true as there are men out there like sports-people such as footballers and boxers have come forward about their mental health. There are even fictional ''tough guy'' characters who talk about their problems such as Tony Soprano who visits a therapist in some episodes. I still feel there is a stigma with mental health in men and it annoys me that there are probably still people out there who think it NOT masculine for a man to express his feelings no matter how upset or sad he may feel and that he should keep it ''bottled up''.



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15 Jan 2022, 12:52 pm

Social conditioning can you make you feel/act this way. I believe things are getter better though and there is less stigma attached to men expressing their feelings. I see no such stigma on this forum.


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15 Jan 2022, 2:25 pm

No. It's a difficult and shows strength.



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15 Jan 2022, 3:06 pm

chris1989 wrote:
There have been times when I beat myself (obviously not physically) for expressing my anxiety and becoming tearful at times because I just felt like the only one feeling like and that every other guy holds it all on and doesn't express it even if they might have Aspergers or Autism. I know a part of me thinks that is not true as there are men out there like sports-people such as footballers and boxers have come forward about their mental health. There are even fictional ''tough guy'' characters who talk about their problems such as Tony Soprano who visits a therapist in some episodes. I still feel there is a stigma with mental health in men and it annoys me that there are probably still people out there who think it NOT masculine for a man to express his feelings no matter how upset or sad he may feel and that he should keep it ''bottled up''.
Even though I am not a qualified mental-health professional, it seems obvious to me you MAY have been affected by "Toxic Male Syndrome" or TMS.

This is NOT to say you are a toxic male, but only to say that you may have been "brainwashed" by toxic males in your life to believe that you are less of a man for having feelings, especially compassion, depression, grief, love, regret, sympathy, and any other emotion, feeling, or mood described as "feminine" or "girly".

This is NOT to say that you are either feminine or girly, but that you may have bought into this misconception simply for not behaving in a fictional "tough guy" fashion.

I have been compiling a lit of behaviors typical to toxic males, and that describe Toxic Male Syndrome -- A specific model of "manhood" geared towards dominance and control; features of which include, but are not limited to:

• Abusive, Loud, and/or Rude Language (i.e., Insults, Profanity, and "Hate Speech")

• Admiration for public figures who display the behaviors in this list

• Bullying (i.e., Blaming, Intimidation, Physical Assault, Scapegoating, Sexual Assault, Shaming, Taunting, et cetera)

• Contempt for Intelligence and Knowledge (i.e., Devaluation of Educated People, especially those who reason from facts and/or who can think for themselves)

• Contempt for Real or Perceived Differences in Others (i.e., Opinions, Skin Color, Religion, Politics, Ideologies, Brand Loyalties, et cetera)

• Contempt for Real or Perceived Failures or Weaknesses in Others (i.e., Devaluation of People who are Disabled, Ill, Imperfect or "Ugly", Injured, Kind, Law-Abiding, Physically Smaller, Patient, Peaceful, Physically Weaker, Self-Controlled, Shy, Temperate, Timid, et cetera)

• Creation of and participation in Hierarchies that benefit others; but only as long as those other provide a beneficial quid-pro-quo

• Denial of toxic male behavior as "bad"

• Extreme Risk-Taking (i.e., alcohol, crime, drugs, fights, tobacco, et cetera)

• Extreme Self-Denial (i.e., Denial of His Own Flaws, Illnesses, Injuries, Pain, Suffering, Toxic Behavior, Weaknesses, et cetera)

• Extreme Self-Reliance (e.g., "Rugged Individualism")

• Extreme Stoicism (i.e., the Stifling of His own Emotional Expression)

• Homophobia (e.g., Devaluation, Subjugation, and Physical Assault of LGBTQs)

• Institutionalized Misogyny (e.g., Devaluation, Subjugation, and Sexual Assault of Women; especially in the context of Pornography)

• Justification of toxic male behavior as "good"

• Justification of violence (i.e., Physical, Sexual, and Verbal) against others, especially women

• Narcissism (i.e., His Way is the Only Way; His Way or "The Highway", Nothing is Ever His Fault, et cetera)

• Obsession with "Objects of Power" (i.e., Big Dogs, Firearms, Knives, Swords, Big Trucks, Power Tools, Obnoxious "Bling", et cetera)

• Obsession with "Symbols of Power" (i.e., Flags, Uniforms, Tattoos, Totems, and Geometric Designs favored by oppressors, such as Stars, Swastikas, et cetera)

• Obsession with Control, Dominance, Power, and Victory over others

• Obsession with Impressing Others (i.e., Body-Building, Bragging, Bravado, Swagger, et cetera)

• Obsession with Status (i.e., Pursuit of Influence, Popularity, and Power)

• Pride in the magnitude and frequency of the pain and humiliation they inflict on others.

• Primacy of Conformity Over Diversity (i.e., Skin Color, Religion, Politics, Ideologies, Brand Loyalties, Team Loyalties, et cetera)

• Primacy of Cultural Identity over all others cultural identities.

• Primacy of Self Over Others.

• Primacy of Work and Career over Relationships and Family

• Promiscuity (okay for toxic males, but not okay for females)

• Racism

• Rage (e.g., Anger and/or Violence that is out of proportion to their triggering events)

• Sexism

• Trolling of Public Websites and the people who use them for rasin the awareness of Toxic Male Syndrome

• Xenophobia (e.g., Devaluation, Subjugation, and Physical Assault of Foreigners and Immigrants)

This is not an all-or-nothing issue; instead, the more of these behaviors that a man displays on a regular basis, the more likely he is to have Toxic Male Syndrome. Unfortunately, it is also more likely that he will force himself upon women, and then intimidate them into silence; thus concealing his toxicity from those who could intervene.

Look around this website, and you will find about a half-dozen members who exemplify Toxic Male behavior.  None of them would have anything beneficial to say to you, and none of them are worthy of your respect.

JUST BE YOURSELF, and stop worrying whether your thoughts and feelings are "manly" or not.

Just be yourself.



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16 Jan 2022, 2:51 am

I think not running away from emotions show strength regardless of gender. If anything, i think a person is weaker if they bottle up their emotions all the time, since they don't know how to deal with them.



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16 Jan 2022, 9:38 am

There are times during this time when I wish I wasn't always as anxious as other people, especially when being out work with lots of people around and I am wearing two masks. I even get the impression from others that they look at me and think I've gone over the top wearing two masks and think I am over-anxious. I mean I thought that once when a girl asked me for something and I backed away when she got too close and she did so, not because she wanted to but because I did and then showed me what she was looking for on her phone by extending her arm out. I do get annoyed with myself because of it sometimes because I'm worried that others think I'm a double-masked ''weirdo''.



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20 Jan 2022, 7:07 am

AprilR wrote:
I think not running away from emotions show strength regardless of gender. If anything, i think a person is weaker if they bottle up their emotions all the time, since they don't know how to deal with them.



Yes, it is hard to confront difficult emotions. It's often easier to repress them. Sadly, repressed emotions still tend to manifest in negative ways. There is a subtle difference between this and finding a positive outlet however. I think it's important to balance these two. One should feel free to self-express, but one should also have avenues such as arts and sport which can be cathartic or provide pressure relief.



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20 Jan 2022, 7:24 am

I kinda beat myself up physically. :|

There's stigma about some mental health stuff with males, especially sexual abuse, and it's widely spoken about in those treatment circles to make it easier for them to talk about/come forward for treatment, but most stuff is fine nowadays and there's no real stigma. I've seen the toughest men cry in mental hospitals, as I've said elsewhere.

I cry a lot (alone mostly), I have a lot of mental illness stuff, I've been in and out of hospitals a lot and my mum says I'm tough. :P



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20 Jan 2022, 7:50 am

Toxic male syndrome? HAH! Try toxic family!

Both sides of the family (most of which are ex-military), have bought into Louis B. Mater’s dictum “Those that see a psychiatrist ought to have their head examined,” then proceeded to heap all sort of abuse.

Why do you think I became a recluse?



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20 Jan 2022, 8:07 am

Many of the men in the hospitals were military/similar whenever I was there. "Combat" orientated PTSD was often the most common (battlefield or civilian), though that might have been due to the hospitals themselves.

One likely wouldn't see tougher humans around.



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20 Jan 2022, 11:59 am

I personally think it's more 'masculine' (if having to use this concept) to be candid about mental health issues.

Showing that you're willing to accept any issues within your psyche and work through them.

The majority of people forget to look after their mind, as it needs as much care as everything else about them, often neglected because it's not tangible or visible.

There's also a chance that the people around you are enduring mental health issues themselves, but would rather bury their demons as opposed to face them head on.

It's worrying that people still will ignore physical issues in a similar manner. Whether it's to not show signs of weakness or feel a burden to anybody else.


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20 Jan 2022, 12:03 pm

In some circles, but I'd suggest those circles have poor guidelines regarding masculinity, not that discussing mental health is inherently unmasculine.


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21 Jan 2022, 1:29 am

Everyone needs to pay attention to their mental health. Especially in this day and age. If you aren't paying attention someone else will co-opt your psyche for their needs while you aren't watching.
And if you're not aware of the stories you're running, then you are their slave. Most of the population lives like that, I fear.


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21 Jan 2022, 1:13 pm

There’s still a stigma, but also tons of change and progress with a lot of men speaking up and making it ever more socially acceptable to discuss mental health.

The corporate world is working on this, too. We have “Bell Let’s Talk,” day that’s coming up in a week or so that’s all about encouraging people to speak up about mental health, seek help, help each other, have open discussions.

Locally, I’m part of a Facebook group that started during the pandemic as a bit of fun and has evolved into a men’s group to help each other out with advice, jobs, groceries when they’re really down and out, substance abuse etc And one of the major things is that they openly encourage discussion of mental health topics so people can speak freely without stigma etc. There are over 10,000 guys in the group. I’m sure there are many more like it around the world, or on different platforms etc that are changing the social acceptance of these sorts of thoughts being expressed and discussed.


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21 Jan 2022, 2:16 pm

There is a stigma against men on a societal level. But in terms of our individual lives, we have the choice on who to surround ourselves with.

It's important to re-evaluate your social circle. Surround yourself with positive open-minded people who have your best interest in mind. Weed out the toxic and immature.

I never feel judged for talking about mental health, because my friends/family are accepting, and the people who aren't, aren't in my circle anymore.