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21 Jun 2022, 8:26 am

Villains almost always deserve whatever punishment is meted out to them.



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21 Jun 2022, 8:32 am

• Villains build businesses; Heroes tear them down.

• Villains plan and strategize; Heroes go with the flow.

• Villains define themselves; Heroes are defined by others.



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21 Jun 2022, 8:38 am

Villians destroy things which have been built by heroes.

Villains destroy ideas which have been thought of by heroes.



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21 Jun 2022, 8:42 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Villains almost always deserve whatever punishment is meted out to them.
Who decides who is the villain?  No, I am not talking about criminals; I am talking about those who wake up early and start texting their employees at 4:30 a.m. with new ideas.  I am talking about those who never take a vacation so that they can assure their businesses run smoothly and their employees still have jobs.  I am talking about those who barely know their families, but who have assured the financial security of their families for generations to come.  I am talking about those who are reviled for their lack of diplomatic skills while they are applauded for their achievements.

A villain's sole purpose is to provoke activity in an otherwise complacent, yet "heroic" population.  The villain is not a criminal -- Putin is a criminal; Zelenskyy is a villain (albeit a likeable one).  Trump is a criminal; Gates is a villain.  See the difference?



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21 Jun 2022, 8:43 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Villians destroy things which have been built by heroes.
No, that is a criminal.
kraftiekortie wrote:
Villains destroy ideas which have been thought of by heroes.
No, that is a criminal.

Villains build; criminals destroy; heroes sacrifice.



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21 Jun 2022, 8:46 am

Sorry, Fnord, but I will draw one of your favorite weapons:

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Definition of villain
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1. a cruelly malicious person who is involved in or devoted to wickedness or crime; scoundrel.
2. a character in a play, novel, or the like, who constitutes an important evil agency in the plot.
3. a person or thing considered to be the cause of something bad: Fear is the villain that can sabotage our goals.
4. villein.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/villain

Malice and evil intentions are constitutional to "villains" in fiction.


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21 Jun 2022, 8:47 am

A criminal is a type of villain.....or is a villain a type of criminal?

Sometimes, making a sacrifice could be futile, and could be done for not-so-altruistic reasons.

However, many times, people who go "above and beyond the call of duty" (i.e., "make sacrifices") become heroes.



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21 Jun 2022, 9:04 am

A criminal commits crimes - breaks the law.
If the laws and the morality don't align, a villain does not have to be a criminal and a criminal does not have to be a villain.
Historical example: helping Jews during Holocaust was a crime heroes committed.


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21 Jun 2022, 9:09 am

Yep...and calling the invasion of Ukraine a war is equivalent to a criminal felony in Russia, punishable, potentially, by a 15-year prison sentence at hard labor.



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21 Jun 2022, 9:24 am

magz wrote:
A criminal commits crimes - breaks the law.
If the laws and the morality don't align, a villain does not have to be a criminal and a criminal does not have to be a villain.
Historical example: helping Jews during Holocaust was a crime heroes committed.
Yet by "enslaving" his Jewish employees, Schindler became a villain.  It was only after (long after) he had been captured and executed by the Soviets was he found to be a hero, and only because he made the ultimate sacrifice.

I maintain that the differences between heroes and villains is largely a matter of perspective, while the difference between criminals and everyone else is crime.

In my opinion, there are six basic kinds of characters: Cowards, Criminals, Heroes, Victims, Villains, and Nobodies.



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21 Jun 2022, 9:31 am

I would say all persons are all six at various times. And also somewhere in between those six absolutes. The difference is in what predominates (yes, "perspective").



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21 Jun 2022, 9:33 am

I didn't mean Schindler, I meant regular people like the parents of my primary school teacher. Probably "nobodies" in your book - or at least that's how they seemed to think about theselves.


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21 Jun 2022, 9:33 am

magz wrote:
Sorry, Fnord, but I will draw one of your favorite weapons:
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Definition of villain
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1. a cruelly malicious person who is involved in or devoted to wickedness or crime; scoundrel.
2. a character in a play, novel, or the like, who constitutes an important evil agency in the plot.
3. a person or thing considered to be the cause of something bad: Fear is the villain that can sabotage our goals.
4. villein.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/villain

Malice and evil intentions are constitutional to "villains" in fiction.
Fair game!

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Of course, I have to defer to these definitions in principle.

Definitions #1 and #2 are what I would call a "criminal" -- villains with evil intent (or even "monsters"); but villains -- and I mean the kind you love to hate -- go far beyond these definitions.  A villain may act out of good intent -- providing jobs to an impoverished community by building a factory that produces military equipment (thus validating definition #3) -- which is the kind of villain to which I have been referring.

I hope I have not split this hair too finely.



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21 Jun 2022, 9:40 am

magz wrote:
I didn't mean Schindler, I meant regular people like the parents of my primary school teacher. Probably "nobodies" in your book - or at least that's how they seemed to think about themselves.
I do not mean "nobodies" in a literal sense, but "nobodies" in the literary sense -- unnamed background characters that fill out the setting.

Going back to definition #3, you may easily think of at least one well-intentioned member of this website who comes across as villainous in his posts -- irritating, obnoxious, and occasionally offensive -- but who in real life is looked up to by his family and friends.  Is he a villain?  To some, perhaps; to others, not so much.  Is he a criminal?  Certainly not!

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