Appearance's impact on life...
I had always suspected that good looks can improve the life's quality of someone but I've always had my doubts as there are famous ugly people who had great success , but I also wondered how much of other qualities they had to compensate that.
Since little while ago, I am witnessing day-to-day how a good-looking guy can get far with his 'good-looks' quality ...and yes I am saying a guy , not a girl.
2 months ago my co-worker was fired due to behavioral issues and they had, this co-worker was more responsible to the "outdoor-oriented tasks" as meeting with the CSRs in the banks' branches (since our main activity is selling laptops/other stuff through banks) , going to outdoor missions, going with the supervisor into meetings while I am fully responsible for the back office logistics,stats, preparing presentations, emailing with partners, executing operations and organizing stuff, doingphone calls..phone calls and ....more phone calls! We both hold the same job titles though.
So my 'new' supervisor had to meet candidates for the empty place and he asked me to interview some of them .I used almost the same questionnaire I got from a HR book for all candidates so I can rate them fairly (as scales from 'best answer' to 'worst answer') and besides business/customer-relations question I added very basic technical/IT-related questions since we sell of those stuff , I interviewed about 4 candidates. I followed the most scientific methodology ever and tried to be totally objective.
The last candidate was the most good-looking to be honest like some a pop-star (and so his hair is purely pop-style) but he got very low rates when it comes to the IT-related questions and not even the best answer in other questions. He always made the fatal mistake by badmouthing his ex-boss and his ex-company (Ask any pro HR and he'll tell that's the worst mistake) , I made a note about this on his report , he's a quite smooth talker though but wasn't the best indeed. He doesn't even know basic computer specs, he doesn't even know the difference between GHz and GB and couldn't define the 'dedicated RAMs' for the VGA spec. He doesn't even know about the specs of other stuff such as LCDs and PDAs. ....and he doesn't have a masters degree.
That guy was interviewed for 15 min by my supervisor afterward.
When I finished interviewing , the secretary whispered me "oh, aren't you gonna recruit this one? he's the most handsome one!" , I replied her sarcastically "this is not Mr.Universe competition dear! , this is not how things works" (oh how wrong i was)
The next day, even after showing ,my superior the full reports , he told me that he gonna pick the last guy. He refused another candidate because he's not 'representable' and had 'spiky hair'. Funny, the last candidate has the same haircut style , the only difference that the other guy looks much younger and ultra-skinny but he got higher rates , especially in IT-related questions.
I asked for the reason and he replied: "He's well mannered , representable and smooth-talker" .... "and oh..he's very good-looking , and as you know most of CSRs in banks' branches are girls , they'll react positively to him" and he commented later "he also sings according to his CV" (and yes, he can sings well and had heard him singing in restaurants later).
And he admitted that he's not gonna accept the third candidate because she was female since "most CSRs are girls" , yet she got better rates according to my evaluation.
The guy was recruited.
Fine.
The things that really annoying me:
-My interviewing reports were debunked , my time with the candidates were a total waste. My supervisor told me later that he could do the interviews himself but he asked that in order to "boost" my lacks in social skills.
- The feeling of being disrespected since my evaluations were not taken into consideration at all.
- The only reason of why this guy was recruited (good-looking) , yet he has zero-knowledge about IT stuff. Surely, good-looking and good presence are a plus for outdoor-oriented tasks as there was a representative scale in the evaluation template (how elegant is wearing,shaved ..etc) but it can't be the major trait.
- I knew later about his initial salary is higher than my first salary when I started as trainee (and that low salary lasted for the whole first year), surely my current salary is higher now since i worked for 2 years and half in that company but he started 40% higher than my initial one (and much higher than the geeky ex-coworker) and he has no masters degree.(and he just has months of xp) and it seems his salary will get higher once he's no more trainee)
Surely he has to drive but he's not gonna be sent outdoor on daily-basis but only on a promotion-basis when he has to meet the CSRs, which is basically every 2 months, so most of the time he'll assist us in the office.
-The discriminative reasons of why some of the other candidates (because of spiky hair? because of gender? unbelievable)
-I am feeling like a perfectionist idiot.
- The fact that I would never be recruited by this new supervisor if I was in his place.
Now I am trying to teach this pop-star the difference between Ghz and GB and the basic of the basic of excel formulas, couldn't dare to start asking him about Access stuff.
He's a good person though , can be a very good friend...but certainly not the best candidate. I don't even consider him very lucky to be stuck with such shallow supervisor ha.
And oh ...what's even worse that he started dating a coworker that I was slowly approaching her , she just approached him and went to lunch with him.
I am totally demotivated and I am wondering .... Should I just bury myself and die?
Last edited by LePetitPrince on 08 Dec 2008, 4:34 pm, edited 1 time in total.
No. I suspect that you will be tasked with his training. Depending on how you handle it, you can set him up for embarrassment or for becoming your next supervisor.
For the former, give him the "official" training in writing, and direct him to study it on his own, while deliberately giving him verbal mis-information regarding everything he is expected to know. When confronted, deny everything except that you "went by the book" in his training. This should work if you already have the reputation for doing things "by the book," which it seems you do.
For the latter, just give him everything he needs to know to do his job in a helpful, honest, and straightforward manner. No one will ever even suspect that you've sabotaged your own career by giving Mr. GQ everything he needs to dominate your position.
The choice is yours. Make it a good one.


Unfortunatly it'll be the same supervisors who select the person to get promoted. I don't find Fnords tactic to be distastefull, everyone else seems to be trying to get ahead by planting little half-truths.
sour grapes i spose, but you're quite good looking yourself.
it may not be good looks but 'charm' some people just have it. lots of sociopaths have it and they're very 'smooth talkers' too.
i guess you'll have to wait and see how it plays out, everyone has their rise and their fall too.
WRITING THIS POST DOESNT MEAN I BELIEVE ITS RIGHT!
Ok, got that out of the way. In this world, you are judged at FACE VALUE. Anyone, and I do mean ANYONE who tells you otherwise, is blatantly lying to you. Now, with that matter at hand, realize that you can learn computer specs. You can learn not to bad mouth your prior employees, or even better, how to get away with it(which it seems he has). You can learn how to swoon girls in a matter of minutes(which he has and you're still working on).
Know what you cant learn most of the time though? How to look good. Sure, you can learn to make yourself look better, dress nicer, be more hygenic, walk and talk with a swagger or confidence, eat healthier and workout more fanatically, focus on your health, maybe even how to dance.
But you're born with your looks, and how you look to most people is more important than any effort you will ever invest on your intelligence, your morality, your personality, your opinion, your talents. These were all your own personal goals, and they mean nothing to society until they mean everything. In other words, till you become the next da vinci, the next einstein, the next micheal jordan or phelps or even the next micheal jackson(pre child molestation accusations).
Life sucks once you realize how hopeless it is to be average anymore.
Yes I saw on a documentary that in many work places people are judged by their looks more than their skills as they did some tests.
It wasn't so much that the ones that were good-looking were hired but rather the ones up to par with their looks and "brilliant personality" if anyone's seen that ad.
I have to say in my line of working though, that most of the employess and bosses I've had do try and be fair and know about this and yes we've had a lot of ignorant bosses and supervisors basing from face value rather than skills.
Don't know what positive feedback to give except that the world has never been fair about anything including things I won't disclaim here that I've seen happen at my job. But I wonder if you haven't brought this up before...not to say you haven't to your boss or supervisor or other employees. Just mainly through observatrion, I also have to add that attractive people..not pretty or ugly but people who look as you put it "pop stars" aren't always based just on the look that's plain to see but their status quo ($$$$). Takes a lot for some people to look that good as I've personally seen with some of the people I've had outings that I worked with. Most of these "beautiful celebreties" were so uptown that I just couldn't believe the ungodly crap they could afford or used to their advantage. So yes, some of this is not JUST a judgement on the way they look as it is also a judgement of their status in life. Unfair but true.
Not sure if there's anyway you can document this everytime it happens. That's ashame if there's so much of it going on in your work place and they're not already aware of this strange inconspicuous but true discrimination. Some of the work places I've been in are becoming more aware of it and do talk about it.
Anyway, I can kind of relate to this cos I've seen it happen all too often in some places I've worked at. Like I said human beings are naturally like that about many things without realizing. All you can do is sort of educate other people about this like you did on this board just by talking about it and...at least over here we've had documentaries on this issue similar issue to your situation brought up.
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For the former, give him the "official" training in writing, and direct him to study it on his own, while deliberately giving him verbal mis-information regarding everything he is expected to know. When confronted, deny everything except that you "went by the book" in his training. This should work if you already have the reputation for doing things "by the book," which it seems you do.
For the latter, just give him everything he needs to know to do his job in a helpful, honest, and straightforward manner. No one will ever even suspect that you've sabotaged your own career by giving Mr. GQ everything he needs to dominate your position.
The choice is yours. Make it a good one.
What benefit I would get If I cause him embarrassment?
Ana, with all my respect , Utopia doesn't exist.
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in fact, the only people who told me that I am 'good-looking' were online people , mainly because you can't really see my body's size in a photo. Attraction is not only related to face.
People that I met online then I met in real life often comment "you're too thin" or "shorter that I expected" or 'why your shoulders are so narrow?" ...or any comment related to my small stature body.
For the former, give him the "official" training in writing, and direct him to study it on his own, while deliberately giving him verbal mis-information regarding everything he is expected to know. When confronted, deny everything except that you "went by the book" in his training. This should work if you already have the reputation for doing things "by the book," which it seems you do.
For the latter, just give him everything he needs to know to do his job in a helpful, honest, and straightforward manner. No one will ever even suspect that you've sabotaged your own career by giving Mr. GQ everything he needs to dominate your position.
The choice is yours. Make it a good one.
What benefit I would get If I cause him embarrassment?
He'll be less likely to be given a position of authority over you, and others will be more likely to come to you for "real" help. It's all about job security.
Now, while I do not believe that supplying misinformation to a potential rival is ethical behavior, the alternatives may not be something you'd tolerate for very long.
Ana, with all my respect, Utopia doesn't exist.
Utopia can not exist without a totalitarian government.
For the former, give him the "official" training in writing, and direct him to study it on his own, while deliberately giving him verbal mis-information regarding everything he is expected to know. When confronted, deny everything except that you "went by the book" in his training. This should work if you already have the reputation for doing things "by the book," which it seems you do.
For the latter, just give him everything he needs to know to do his job in a helpful, honest, and straightforward manner. No one will ever even suspect that you've sabotaged your own career by giving Mr. GQ everything he needs to dominate your position.
The choice is yours. Make it a good one.
What benefit I would get If I cause him embarrassment?
He'll be less likely to be given a position of authority over you, and others will be more likely to come to you for "real" help. It's all about job security.
Now, while I do not believe that supplying misinformation to a potential rival is ethical behavior, the alternatives may not be something you'd tolerate for very long.
Anyways, I don't think that would work : First, because we work in the same room and my supervisor would listen to everything I am telling him and he'll be able to catch any clear misinformation I say. Second, the new employee is teaching himself about the essential terms by reading on the web. Third, the new guy is a really good smooth talker , when he says something wrong/inaccurate , he sounds really convincing to the listner unless if the listener has fair knowledge about technology.
Ok, got that out of the way. In this world, you are judged at FACE VALUE. Anyone, and I do mean ANYONE who tells you otherwise, is blatantly lying to you. Now, with that matter at hand, realize that you can learn computer specs. You can learn not to bad mouth your prior employees, or even better, how to get away with it(which it seems he has). You can learn how to swoon girls in a matter of minutes(which he has and you're still working on).
Know what you cant learn most of the time though? How to look good. Sure, you can learn to make yourself look better, dress nicer, be more hygenic, walk and talk with a swagger or confidence, eat healthier and workout more fanatically, focus on your health, maybe even how to dance.
But you're born with your looks, and how you look to most people is more important than any effort you will ever invest on your intelligence, your morality, your personality, your opinion, your talents. These were all your own personal goals, and they mean nothing to society until they mean everything. In other words, till you become the next da vinci, the next einstein, the next micheal jordan or phelps or even the next micheal jackson(pre child molestation accusations).
Life sucks once you realize how hopeless it is to be average anymore.
I hate to say this but what you are saying is probably the truth. Maybe good-looks and charm-appeal are the rarest resources since they are inborn traits and can't be really acquired or learned with time. Maybe that how my superior saw it , he could detected the most important resource that can influence our most important contacts , something that maybe I failed to realize it or failed to detect it....
I am witnessing now how people are positively reacting to him , obviously my NT superior is wiser than me after all about the NT world..
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