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Yesterday, 7:10 pm

I should clarify an earlier statement I made. the green little goblins appearance and their apparent fascination with this family and homestead between dusk and dawn is "reminiscent" of alien abductee claims of little gray aliens. I'm not actually saying they are little gray aliens.

Pareidolia involves making meaning based on one's ontological map of the world. Classically people misidentify clouds inanimate objects as something else because they see patterns they are familiar with. Assuming these rural farming folk living in a remote area of the US in 1955 they would have never seen or heard of gray aliens (this archetype for aliens would only be widespread in popular media after the 1961 alleged alien abduction of Betty and Barney Hill). So my earlier comment is if they saw little men running around their homestead and trying to get in they might be drawing on folkloric beliefs of elves, pixies etc and drew on these beliefs to create what they thought they saw. Naturally when sketching the "beings" for the police they embellished certain features and maybe even colour to create a goblin because that's probably the closest archetype they could draw on to explain these little men.

It's also interesting about the colour. As twighlight gives way to darkness, our colour/hue perception changes. what might be remembered as "green" might in low light be a shade of gray.



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Yesterday, 8:12 pm

According to the police report (I am not sure why the police would make this up?).

On the night of August 21, 1955, near the communities of Kelly and Hopkinsville in Christian County, Kentucky. Two cars, carrying five adults and several children, arrived at the local police station with a plea: “We need help,” they announced, apparently terrified (which can be plausibly meant that they were visibly and audibly scared). “We've been fighting them for nearly four hours.”

“Small alien creatures had come from a spaceship and were harassing the household, and the two families inside had been holding them off with gunfire since dusk,” explained Brian Dunning on the October 9, 2012 episode of Skeptoid. “Faces had appeared at the window, one grabbed a man's hair, and any number of the little beings had been floating around on or near the ground, flying from tree to rooftop, and evading capture.”

All told, there were apparently 12 to 15 of the mysterious creatures badgering the house, with witnesses claiming to have seen the visitors’ flying saucer zip across the sky and land behind some nearby trees. The aliens were described as having large eyes, being about a meter tall (3.2 feet), and having spindly legs, human-like hands, and possibly antennae.

Worse still, shooting the creatures seemed futile: “Shoot them, and they'd float to the ground, and then escape,” Dunning noted. “When a bullet would strike one it sounded like shooting a tin can.”
https://www.iflscience.com/the-kelly-ho ... -owl-67683

Ok so that's the police account which I took from a sceptics article so even skeptics (who explain this as owls) agree with this account of the night.

But what remains problematic to me is the family's claim
- Faces had appeared at the window (even a 2 yr old can tell an owl looking through a window)
- one grabbed a man's hair (hands?)
- running (bipedal?)
- meter tall (3.2 feet), and having spindly legs, human-like hands, and possibly antennae. (too tall)
- when shooting at point blank range the so called owls were impervious to bullets
- 4 hour battle (Sorry I've established owls are not aggressive, especially outside of nesting period March to May and the incident took place on August 22).

Also keep in mind both adults and children grew up in rural Kentucky would have seen and heard owls hundred's of times. the idea local people could mistaken owls for goblins is like a person who lived all their life next door to an airport suddenly turning up to the police complaining of noisy craft taking off near their house. Hence my own scepticism of the owl explanation is actually quite valid.



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Yesterday, 10:07 pm

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According to the police report (I am not sure why the police would make this up?).
I didn’t say the police made anything up. However, it’s not at all uncommon for people to lie to police, exaggerate, or get the facts wrong for whatever reason. There’s a lot of possibilities with this particular situation. I think a hoax is most likely, though.



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Yesterday, 10:24 pm

This is found footage of a family being terrorized by little green men. A family member is simply recording an ordinary family Thanksgiving get-together, and ends up documenting the family being attacked.

Alien Abduction: Incident in Lake County (The McPherson Tape) 1998



Warning: Might be disturbing to some viewers.



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Yesterday, 10:48 pm

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This is found footage of a family being terrorized by little green men. A family member is simply recording an ordinary family Thanksgiving get-together, and ends up documenting the family being attacked.

Alien Abduction: Incident in Lake County (The McPherson Tape) 1998



Warning: Might be disturbing to some viewers.


Yes I'm also familiar with the Blair witch Project which came out in 1999. the producers concept was basically to present a work of fiction as a plausible/realistic documentary to an audience. Many of the audience were completely taken in.

Both productions were seen by a lot of people and many people were freaked out because they mistook the programs for documentaries. Concept later played out on Discovery channel with various monster hunter, mermaid, big foot and ghost programs again presented in semi-documentary format to sucker in the audience.

But not sure what this has to do with the Kelly-Hopkinsville incident?



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Yesterday, 11:03 pm

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However, it’s not at all uncommon for people to lie to police, exaggerate, or get the facts wrong for whatever reason. There’s a lot of possibilities with this particular situation. I think a hoax is most likely, though.


Please have a read of the repercussions for the Sutton family following their report.

14 years later, Geraldine Sutton, 8, was watching TV with her brother and sister when a man and a woman knocked on the front door. Geraldine answered; the couple, who looked like they'd just come from church, wanted to know if her parents were home. Once Lucky, who'd emerged from a back room to speak with the couple, realized what they wanted, he figured it was time to let his kids in on the event that had haunted him ever since. Their guests were writing a book about UFO sightings, he explained, and wanted him to contribute his own experience. It was the first they'd ever heard of their father's extraterrestrial encounter.

"My daddy didn't like how people treated him once the story got out," says Geraldine, who now goes by her married name, Stith. "People made fun of him. It was traumatizing. Still to this day the [witnesses] who are alive are afraid to talk."

In the days that followed the 1955 incident, dozens of "UFO fanatics" converged on the small farm, hoping to get a peek at any possible evidence left behind by the so-called men from outer space. "There were so many reporters and looky-loos coming by and walking around the property, taking things and calling them "souvenirs," says Smithey, chairperson of the festival dedicated to all things Little Green Men. "The family got sick of being harassed and called liars. They left within 10 days."

Stith's grandmother Glennie, a widow in her early 50s who had always lived in the country, was so shaken up by the encounter that she sold the farmhouse and moved to an apartment in town: "She felt safer around other people." Whatever happened that night affected her uncle JC, too. "He couldn't hold down a job anymore. It psychologically messed with him," says Stith.

the family endured ridicule for years, I can't believe they would stick to their story
https://www.countryliving.com/life/a440 ... y-history/



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Yesterday, 11:15 pm

None of that changes the fact that it could be a hoax. They might regret doing it, but they might have decided they’d rather follow through than be branded as liars by specific friends and family members. It’s hard to say, but apparent feelings aren’t proof. You can’t fully know what a person’s motivations might be. There may have been certain financial benefits. All of this is supposition. I just think there are various explanations that wouldn’t necessitate creatures whose existence hasn’t been proven. Some of the explanations may not be that likely, but weird situations, like folie à famille or ingesting hallucinogenic substances, happen sometimes.



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Yesterday, 11:29 pm

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But not sure what this has to do with the Kelly-Hopkinsville incident?

This thread isn't only about the Kelly-Hopkinsville incident.

This however is very much like the Kelly-Hopkinsville incident in my opinion.

Family that reported aliens in backyard goes silent

Jun 12, 2023. A Las Vegas family recently claimed something crashed in their backyard, prompting them to call 911 about “non-human” beings. Investigators have turned up no concrete answers on the case. UFO investigator Ben Hansen and Marc Berry, a retired Las Vegas detective, weigh in on "Banfield."



Edit: Found a Apr 25, 2024 update:



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Today, 3:29 am

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There may have been certain financial benefits. .


I very much doubt that. the family members involved relocated and went into hiding. No evidence whatsoever they either attempted monetise their story in books or magazines or do radio (big in 1955) or newspaper or television news. Certainly weren't after notoriety or fame.



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Today, 3:34 am

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Some of the explanations may not be that likely, but weird situations, like folie à famille or ingesting hallucinogenic substances, happen sometimes.


this would be an interesting hypothesis. No report from the police the family were in any way under the influence of drugs police (even back in 1955) would check the level of sobriety of individuals making wild claims. Again no evidence the family (certainly not the 7 kids) were intoxicated in any way.



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Today, 3:59 am

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They might regret doing it, but they might have decided they’d rather follow through than be branded as liars by specific friends and family members. It’s hard to say, but apparent feelings aren’t proof. You can’t fully know what a person’s motivations might be.


this is a fair point but here's the thing. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. this is where occam's razor falls down.

I imagine the family really did experience what they thought was some type of alien invasion. It thus follows they were doing their civic duty reporting the incident to the police in to warn the authorities and protect neighbours.

According to the Sutton family, they and their guests, while sitting down to dinner, reported seeing strange lights in the sky. When one family member went outside to investigate, he claimed to have seen small, glowing creatures that floated above the ground.

“So, they did get scared enough to run here into Hopkinsville to grab the sheriff,” Ginnie Pruitt said. Pruitt serves as the finance and operations manager at Visit Hopkinsville.

As the story goes, the family felt threatened and retreated inside their home, where they engaged in a four-hour standoff, shooting at the creatures, who they claimed were impervious to bullets. Frightened, the family eventually fled to Hopkinsville to seek help from the sheriff, sparking a large-scale investigation by local law enforcement and military personnel from nearby Fort Campbell.
https://www.wbko.com/2024/08/14/hopkins ... asion-day/

Families with seven kids and home/landowners in 1955 rural Kentucky would have been highly unlikely to make up such a major hoax involving police and military knowing full well they and their kids would be branded as liars and driven out of the area (which is actually what happened).



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Today, 4:15 am

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Jun 12, 2023. A Las Vegas family recently claimed something crashed in their backyard, prompting them to call 911 about “non-human” beings. Investigators have turned up no concrete answers on the case. UFO investigator Ben Hansen and Marc Berry, a retired Las Vegas detective, weigh in on "Banfield."



Edit: Found a Apr 25, 2024 update:



If you actually followed this case in 2024 after forensics it actually gets quite interesting (watch the video in the link).
https://nypost.com/2024/05/28/us-news/l ... er-review/

Not a hoax since it's live camera stream from police bodycam.

In total there were three witnesses, two teenage sons and their father. the youngest teen was interviewed and stood by their story one year later
[youtube]https://www.newsnationnow.com/banfield/las-vegas-nonhuman-ufo-encounter-traumatizing-teen-says/[/youtube]

Again the family received threats and massive ridicule and as of now relocated.



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Today, 4:52 am

cyberdora wrote:
If you actually followed this case in 2024 after forensics it actually gets quite interesting (watch the video in the link).
https://nypost.com/2024/05/28/us-news/l ... er-review/

Not a hoax since it's live camera stream from police bodycam.

In total there were three witnesses, two teenage sons and their father. the youngest teen was interviewed and stood by their story one year later
[youtube]https://www.newsnationnow.com/banfield/las-vegas-nonhuman-ufo-encounter-traumatizing-teen-says/[/youtube]

Again the family received threats and massive ridicule and as of now relocated.


I have actually followed this case. I'm the one who posted about it. The video of people standing by a fence and aliens appearing isn't police bodycam footage. The police didn't arrive until after the encounter. There is incidental police bodycam footage that happened to catch what looks like a meteor coming down. And then there's police bodycam footage of the family being interviewed. But no policecam footage of the encounter itself. All anyone knows from this is something unusual probably happened. One of the family members, Angel Kenmore seems to be attributing it more to supernatural demonic apparitions, than it being extraterrestrial activity.



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Today, 5:06 am

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One of the family members, Angel Kenmore seems to be attributing it more to supernatural demonic apparitions, than it being extraterrestrial activity.


9-10 foot aliens capable of cloaking have been captured on film



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The police didn't arrive until after the encounter. There is incidental police bodycam footage that happened to catch what looks like a meteor coming down. And then there's police bodycam footage of the family being interviewed. But no policecam footage of the encounter itself.

If you read the 2024 NYP article
https://nypost.com/2024/05/28/us-news/l ... er-review/

the police bodycam was taken after the cops arrived at the house and taken to the backyard. It indicates whatever the family saw was still hanging around and cloaked themselves to avoid detection.



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If you read the 2024 NYP article
https://nypost.com/2024/05/28/us-news/l ... er-review/

the police bodycam was taken after the cops arrived at the house and taken to the backyard. It indicates whatever the family saw was still hanging around and cloaked themselves to avoid detection.


The video below is not police bodycam footage. It was taken by one of the Kenmore's and posted by Angel Kenmore:



This is the police bodycam footage of their investigation:



You'll have to point out were the police saw any strange beings hanging around, because I certainly didn't see that in any Las Vegas Metro bodycam footage. And I've looked through all of it.