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09 Jan 2009, 5:42 pm

Let
v:=tangential velocity
ω:=angular velocity (rads/sec)
r:=radius
then v=ωr
This is basically just the fact that the arclength s described by rotating a line of length r through an angle a is s=ra. Since the tangential velocity is just ds/dt, we have v = d/dt (ra) = rda/dt = rω by defintion.


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09 Jan 2009, 8:03 pm

Breaking the light barrier may very well be possible, but it can't be done simply by building a bigger rocket.

There are a few possible ways to pull it off. One is by utilizing wormholes, these tunnels can connect different places in space and time. The problem is that you'll need exotic matter with negative mass, and so far the only thing that comes close is dark energy and we've got no idea what that is exactly. Another potential issue is that you may need to warp the fabric of space time between you and your destination. This would require a tremendous amount of energy.

Another possibility involves creating a sort of mini-universe. The mini-universe can then freely exceed the speed of light. Unfortunately calculations show that in order to make one large enough to contain a vessel, you'd requier more energy then what seems to exist (but not an infinite amount).

Finally it may be possible to cause normal matter to behave like tachyons. Tachyons are a hypothetical particle with imaginary mass. And thereforth treat the speed of light as a minimum speed. Unfortunately we've never actually detected tachyons and were not sure if it's even possible (assuming they exist at all), then of course it's even tougher to get normal matter to take on their properties.

However it's possible that in many years science will figure out at least one of these methods actually works, and how to do it. It just might not be for a few million years.


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14 Jan 2009, 5:09 pm

The_Cucumber wrote:
Breaking the light barrier may very well be possible, but it can't be done simply by building a bigger rocket.

There are a few possible ways to pull it off. One is by utilizing wormholes, these tunnels can connect different places in space and time. The problem is that you'll need exotic matter with negative mass, and so far the only thing that comes close is dark energy and we've got no idea what that is exactly. Another potential issue is that you may need to warp the fabric of space time between you and your destination. This would require a tremendous amount of energy.

Another possibility involves creating a sort of mini-universe. The mini-universe can then freely exceed the speed of light. Unfortunately calculations show that in order to make one large enough to contain a vessel, you'd requier more energy then what seems to exist (but not an infinite amount).

Finally it may be possible to cause normal matter to behave like tachyons. Tachyons are a hypothetical particle with imaginary mass. And thereforth treat the speed of light as a minimum speed. Unfortunately we've never actually detected tachyons and were not sure if it's even possible (assuming they exist at all), then of course it's even tougher to get normal matter to take on their properties.

However it's possible that in many years science will figure out at least one of these methods actually works, and how to do it. It just might not be for a few million years.


Wormholes dont acc faster then c... its just a fold in spacetime. :?


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14 Jan 2009, 7:24 pm

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Finally it may be possible to cause normal matter to behave like tachyons. Tachyons are a hypothetical particle with imaginary mass. And thereforth treat the speed of light as a minimum speed. Unfortunately we've never actually detected tachyons and were not sure if it's even possible (assuming they exist at all), then of course it's even tougher to get normal matter to take on their properties.

How could we detect an object which's minimum speed is that at which w can no longer perceive it? This argument was made before, and I also wish to apply it to subatomic particles. Since we view using photons, how can we detect anything smaller hen a photon? The fact that a photon is the smallest particle we can see does not prove that no smaller particle exists.
Back on the topic of FTL, how about using quantum entanglement effects to transport information of the composition of the 'teleporting' object, then reassembling the object at point B and destroying it at point A?


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14 Jan 2009, 7:33 pm

Relicanth7 wrote:

Wormholes dont acc faster then c... its just a fold in spacetime. :?


I am aware of that. However since the end result is still the same (you arrive at your destination before light traveling through normal spacetime can) I consider it a form of faster than light travel.


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14 Jan 2009, 7:43 pm

Rafter613 wrote:
Back on the topic of FTL, how about using quantum entanglement effects to transport information of the composition of the 'teleporting' object, then reassembling the object at point B and destroying it at point A?

If you can show me where it has been shown that info can be transmitted at FTL using entanglement I'd like to hear it.

My absolute favorite of wikipedia's suggestions for getting around the c barrier was make light faster!


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14 Jan 2009, 8:01 pm

If We can go faster than mach 1 one day We will go faster than the speed of light.


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14 Jan 2009, 10:45 pm

Well, quantum entanglement has yet to have any practical uses, but it can be used to communicate information FTL, in that something done at one end affects the other instantaneously. For further reading I suggest The god Effect by Brian Clegg. Or you know, wikipedia :).


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14 Jan 2009, 11:20 pm

Rafter613 wrote:
Well, quantum entanglement has yet to have any practical uses, but it can be used to communicate information FTL, in that something done at one end affects the other instantaneously. For further reading I suggest The god Effect by Brian Clegg. Or you know, wikipedia :).

But all of this comes with the caveat that no actual information can be transmitted.

By the way, are there any physicists still reading this thread? Can someone explain to me what they even mean by 'transmitting information "instantaneously"' in a relativistic framework? :scratch:


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15 Jan 2009, 7:55 am

Well, couldn't we use it like a telegraph, checking the state at one end to cause the collapse at the other and using the time in between checks to tell what was being said?


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19 Jan 2009, 3:29 pm

Lol i should have just changed the name to the FTL thread... :P


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