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11 Jan 2019, 10:34 pm

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I guess as an American I'm guilty of that too. But since I live in a region that always gets mocked for our exaggerated drawl and using words like "Ya'll" all the time I really don't judge how other people speak. :P


Here in Australia there are people who say "Youse" its you with an se on the end it's even in the dictionary now.


That's pretty cool. I heard that "Ya'll" is also becoming more accepted as an actuall word. It's a shortened combination of the words "You" and "All".



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11 Jan 2019, 10:41 pm

TW1ZTY wrote:
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I guess as an American I'm guilty of that too. But since I live in a region that always gets mocked for our exaggerated drawl and using words like "Ya'll" all the time I really don't judge how other people speak. :P


Here in Australia there are people who say "Youse" its you with an se on the end it's even in the dictionary now.


That's pretty cool. I heard that "Ya'll" is also becoming more accepted as an actuall word. It's a shortened combination of the words "You" and "All".


They might put "Ya'll" in the dictionary too.



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12 Jan 2019, 1:32 am

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Sorry I hope that didn't sound offensive what I said about London accents. :oops:


How is what you said offensive? I didn't find it offensive.
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Good, but I already edited my post. :lol:

I felt like a hypocrite saying I don't judge how other people speak and then saying something negative about how I think people from London sound. Plus I've never actually met anybody from London I've only heard their accents on TV shows and movies and I bet a lot of it is exaggerated. :oops:


It's fine to have opinions about accents. Some accents really annoy people. Sometimes the Australian accent annoys me too because it sounds cockney but then isn't. I don't mind what non-cockney speakers think of the cockney accent. In fact I get annoyed with how Essex girls speak, which is basically a cockney accent but with a rough, aggressive tone to it.


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12 Jan 2019, 1:36 am

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Sorry I hope that didn't sound offensive what I said about London accents. :oops:


How is what you said offensive? I didn't find it offensive.
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Good, but I already edited my post. :lol:

I felt like a hypocrite saying I don't judge how other people speak and then saying something negative about how I think people from London sound. Plus I've never actually met anybody from London I've only heard their accents on TV shows and movies and I bet a lot of it is exaggerated. :oops:


It's fine to have opinions about accents. Some accents really annoy people. Sometimes the Australian accent annoys me too because it sounds cockney but then isn't. I don't mind what non-cockney speakers think of the cockney accent. In fact I get annoyed with how Essex girls speak, which is basically a cockney accent but with a rough, aggressive tone to it.


Well I've had people make fun of my southern accent calling me a "hillbilly" and it hurt my feelings so I try not to do the same to others. Maybe I'm just too sensitive? :lol: :oops:



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12 Jan 2019, 1:49 am

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...Some things can really go completely over your head if you're not familiar enough with the laws and the culture. I mean when a conversation turns to disability benefits and the like I usually follow, interested, but don't really say anything 'cause I've gotten the impression that that stuff works very differently in America than in here (not that I really know that well about how it works over here, either) so I keep my mouth shut 'cause I really don't know anything anyway. And I don't even try to talk about politics unless it has to do with something universal like the rights of disabled or women. I mean how could I bring anything to a conversation about American politics when American politicians that I can actually name from the top of my head can be counted with my fingers and I'm pretty sure all are presidents aside from Hillary Clinton (and I'm not even sure if I wrote that one right which kinda tells a lot.)
There's other stuff too of course, like sometimes when people talk about some school or work trouble or something I find it that I can't really relate as much as I'd like to or that I'm clearly missing something since things are done differently here.
And of course, just the culture in general. It seems that some things that are fine here are considered rude in America and the other way around, so some things might just be plain cultural differences.

And no, I'm not complaining about the amount of Americans here, it's pretty natural on a site where the main language is English and the founder might be American as well, I don't know, but I just wanted to point this out 'cause I feel like they might not always take in to account that not everyone here is an American and the differences between them and some other people here might be about culture differences instead of age gap or autistic misunderstandings. Of course, the rest of us are also likely to forget about cultural differences, it's certainly not just Americans, but since they seem to be a majority I used that as an example.

The point is, people, before you accuse someone of being wrong or say "that's not how it goes", check what country or culture they're from (and remember that there are different cultures inside of a same country, too) and if you can't see it, never just assume where someone is from. The world is a huge place so the chances that you're wrong are high.







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12 Jan 2019, 2:01 am

I have to admit sometimes I feel somewhat similarly but because of a lot of british people and some people from other countries post so sometimes I can't quite relate entirely, because things are different in different countries. I always try to sort of understand but I admit sometimes it can be confusing. I mean like in the U.S we have SSI disability which is the disability income I get, but other countries that have disability payments don't call it the same thing. So sometimes I find myself talking about how to apply for SSI and realize the person I am responding to lives in the U.K, so its not relevant to them at all.


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12 Jan 2019, 2:09 am

TW1ZTY wrote:
Aprilviolets wrote:
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I guess as an American I'm guilty of that too. But since I live in a region that always gets mocked for our exaggerated drawl and using words like "Ya'll" all the time I really don't judge how other people speak. :P


Here in Australia there are people who say "Youse" its you with an se on the end it's even in the dictionary now.


That's pretty cool. I heard that "Ya'll" is also becoming more accepted as an actuall word. It's a shortened combination of the words "You" and "All".
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I know this expression. Someone from Arkansas uses it too. They may add y'all to the dictionary but it'll never be allowed as a Scrabble word as words with apostrophes (such as don't) aren't permitted, nor are hyphenated words.

Every country or region has its own words . If I said I was late for bioscope because the robots were out, then later we had a braai and visited the spaza shop, US folk would be puzzled!


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12 Jan 2019, 2:18 am

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TW1ZTY wrote:
Aprilviolets wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
I guess as an American I'm guilty of that too. But since I live in a region that always gets mocked for our exaggerated drawl and using words like "Ya'll" all the time I really don't judge how other people speak. :P


Here in Australia there are people who say "Youse" its you with an se on the end it's even in the dictionary now.


That's pretty cool. I heard that "Ya'll" is also becoming more accepted as an actuall word. It's a shortened combination of the words "You" and "All".
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I know this expression. Someone from Arkansas uses it too. They may add y'all to the dictionary but it'll never be allowed as a Scrabble word as words with apostrophes (such as don't) aren't permitted, nor are hyphenated words.

Every country or region has its own words . If I said I was late for bioscope because the robots were out, then later we had a braai and visited the spaza shop, US folk would be puzzled!


:scratch: :mrgreen:

How about if I said I was "fixin' us up a mess o' somethin'."? :P



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12 Jan 2019, 2:32 am

Fix a meal?

Bioscope=cinema, robot =traffic light, braai = barbecue, spaza shop: informal shop run from someone's home or garage, common in South Africa and usually selling day to daÿ stuff like biscuits, bread, cool drinks and toiletries.


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Not long ago I got some really nice peanut and milk flavoured cookies from a spaza shop. They were manufactured in Lesotho!


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12 Jan 2019, 6:24 am

Why did this turn almost entirely in to a conversation about accents? I meant to talk more about cultural differences and such... :?

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...Maybe you cover this somewhere below, but you don't say in your description what country you're in!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! :P


Oops! :P
I'm from Finland and English isn't even an official language here, so I also have to deal with language barriers sometimes. Like the time when people were talking about almond milk here and I mentioned that I had to use google translate to even know what an almond was, and someone misread it as just google and wondered how I had never heard of almonds. But that was his mistake, not mine. :lol:



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12 Jan 2019, 7:30 am

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Why did this turn almost entirely in to a conversation about accents? I meant to talk more about cultural differences and such... :?

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...Maybe you cover this somewhere below, but you don't say in your description what country you're in!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! :P


Oops! :P
I'm from Finland and English isn't even an official language here, so I also have to deal with language barriers sometimes. Like the time when people were talking about almond milk here and I mentioned that I had to use google translate to even know what an almond was, and someone misread it as just google and wondered how I had never heard of almonds. But that was his mistake, not mine. :lol:



Because accents are one of the easiest cultural differences to recognize? You say that like we are being off topic and we are not.



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12 Jan 2019, 7:43 am

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Why did this turn almost entirely in to a conversation about accents? I meant to talk more about cultural differences and such... :?

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...Maybe you cover this somewhere below, but you don't say in your description what country you're in!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! :P


Oops! :P
I'm from Finland and English isn't even an official language here, so I also have to deal with language barriers sometimes. Like the time when people were talking about almond milk here and I mentioned that I had to use google translate to even know what an almond was, and someone misread it as just google and wondered how I had never heard of almonds. But that was his mistake, not mine. :lol:


Because accents are one of the easiest cultural differences to recognize? You say that like we are being off topic and we are not.


I just meant that the conversation got stuck to just one part of the matter and I brought it up because I'd like to hear opinions about the other parts, too.



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12 Jan 2019, 9:41 am

envirozentinel wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Aprilviolets wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
I guess as an American I'm guilty of that too. But since I live in a region that always gets mocked for our exaggerated drawl and using words like "Ya'll" all the time I really don't judge how other people speak. :P


Here in Australia there are people who say "Youse" its you with an se on the end it's even in the dictionary now.


That's pretty cool. I heard that "Ya'll" is also becoming more accepted as an actuall word. It's a shortened combination of the words "You" and "All".
kl


I know this expression. Someone from Arkansas uses it too. They may add y'all to the dictionary but it'll never be allowed as a Scrabble word as words with apostrophes (such as don't) aren't permitted, nor are hyphenated words.

Every country or region has its own words . If I said I was late for bioscope because the robots were out, then later we had a braai and visited the spaza shop, US folk would be puzzled!


In most European languages there are two kinds of "you": the formal "you", and the familiar "you". And the formal "you" doubles as the plural "you".

English used to have that as well. "You" was the formal "you", and "thou" was the informal.

But then three hundred years ago 'thou' just dropped out of the language. The upside is that we English speakers no longer have to worry about the status of the person we are talking to in order to figure out which "you" to use. But the downside is that we no longer have a plural "you" which is often a needed thing.

So in some dialects they reinvent the plural "you".

In Boston, and in New York, the various waves of immigrants from Europe (Irish, Italian, Polish, etc) all had plural versions of you in the language of the countries they came from, and they all assumed that English would have that too, and since in English you tack on an "s" to create the plural form of a noun they all assumed that pronouns work the same way. So that's why folks who speak in that northeastern Sly Stallone "friggin aye" dialect say "the two of ya's" . I want the two of yas to go over then, and then yous guys need to do such and such.

Meanwhile in the hinterland of the mountains of Pennsylvania and west Virginia folks began to say "you-uns". And I the deep south and in Texas (actually in most of the US, but the southern drawl makes it more noticeable in the south) they began saying "Y'all" (the contraction of you and all).

And I am all for Y'all being the new reinvented plural "you".



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12 Jan 2019, 9:48 am

Ya'll is just easier to say than "You all" and it's easy to figure out what it means. :)



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12 Jan 2019, 9:56 am

Fireblossom wrote:
Why did this turn almost entirely in to a conversation about accents? I meant to talk more about cultural differences and such... :?

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...Maybe you cover this somewhere below, but you don't say in your description what country you're in!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! :P


Oops! :P
I'm from Finland and English isn't even an official language here, so I also have to deal with language barriers sometimes. Like the time when people were talking about almond milk here and I mentioned that I had to use google translate to even know what an almond was, and someone misread it as just google and wondered how I had never heard of almonds. But that was his mistake, not mine. :lol:


The irony is that your country probably has more WP members relative to its population than any other country including the USA.

Finland is physically big on the map of Europe, but it has a small population. Only what? Four or five million? To Britian's 65 million, and the US's three hundred million plus.

Yet there have been quite a number of WP folks from Finland over the years. So for your small size you all are well represented.

In contrast India has a fifth of the world's population, AND is part of the British commonwealth (they speak English and have a certain integration into the English speaking world), and yet I can only recall one active member from India. Havent seen her in a long time, but she did visit frequently for a good amount of time. And I have never seen anyone from mainland China on WP. And I don't even recall encountering folks from Japan, or Indonesia, either. Japan is an industrialized and thoroughly wired country so you would think that with their large population you would see many Japanese here, but you don't. That one young lady named "Drawyer" was from South Korea (comparable to Britain or France in population size). She was a very active member, but disappeared. Not many other Koreans show up here.