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13 Sep 2009, 8:03 pm

...and I run into this little gem on its autism page:

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The is enormous pressure to deny that vaccinations are causing autism, as such a revelation would result in political, legal, and financial consequences for those who have been supporting increases in vaccination. As researchers denied smoking caused lung cancer for decades, researchers now claim that vaccination is not causing autism.


I love you Conservapedia, don't ever change! :lol:

Disclaimer: Conservapedia is an encyclopedia that sees the world through the crazy eyes of Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Fox News and so on. Go to any subject and you'll find yourself either laughing or crying, or something in between.



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14 Sep 2009, 4:19 am

Oh, geeze.

I admit it. The evil shots did this to me. I wasn't born this way. Showings of being autistic before shots? Oh, no, those were your imagination. </epic sarcasm>



That site. Makes me want to bash my head on things.


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14 Sep 2009, 8:42 am

So now Schlafly is an expert on biology, geology, cosmology, taxonomy, AND neurology?

Anybody who thinks that site is anything less than an absolute joke instantly loses all respect.


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14 Sep 2009, 9:54 am

It's just like any other wiki site can be - particularly on controversial topics.

On Creationwiki I made this article back in 2008: http://creationwiki.org/Passover

Anyone can post to a wiki site.



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14 Sep 2009, 9:59 am

For the perspective of a Creationist who publishes science textbooks:

http://www.apologia.com/vaccines.htm



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14 Sep 2009, 10:34 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
It's just like any other wiki site can be - particularly on controversial topics.

On Creationwiki I made this article back in 2008: http://creationwiki.org/Passover

Anyone can post to a wiki site.


The difference between Conservapedia and other wikis, though, is that Wikis always attract some craziness and inanity once in a while, while Conservapedia is based on it. For example: Jesus rode on dinosaurs, and science is trying to destroy us., Obama is the anti-christ, and he was born in Kenya. You can't DISPROVE what we spout, therefore we are right. All hail George Bush.

Yeah, it's the religious right. Somewhere, even Pat Robertson is facepalming, going "Daaaaamn, dese niggas be crazy, yo!". I hope Andy Schlafly becomes a television preacher, I really do.



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14 Sep 2009, 10:42 am

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
It's just like any other wiki site can be - particularly on controversial topics.

On Creationwiki I made this article back in 2008: http://creationwiki.org/Passover

Anyone can post to a wiki site.


The difference between Conservapedia and other wikis, though, is that Wikis always attract some craziness and inanity once in a while, while Conservapedia is based on it. For example: Jesus rode on dinosaurs, and science is trying to destroy us., Obama is the anti-christ, and he was born in Kenya. You can't DISPROVE what we spout, therefore we are right. All hail George Bush.

Yeah, it's the religious right. Somewhere, even Pat Robertson is facepalming, going "Daaaaamn, dese niggas be crazy, yo!". I hope Andy Schlafly becomes a television preacher, I really do.


Links please, for all of those.



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14 Sep 2009, 11:43 am

http://conservapedia.com/Evolution
Science is trying to destroy us.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Barack_Obama
Birth certificate crap and, a subtle reference to him being the anti-christ, and all that good paranoia, fearmongering, and black PR and propaganda.

http://www.conservapedia.com/George_Bush
Hail our master.

Now as far as Jesus riding on dinosaurs, this isn't on Conservapedia yet, but most likely because they haven't found a way to interject it into an article yet. Anyway, this is what I'm talking about:
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Earth is 6000-years-old, so they like to pay lip-service to that. It goes on like that. For example, Dinosaurs were vegetarians until Eve ate the apple. I'm sorry I can't go on like this, it makes my brain hurt to unravel this weird alternate reality that Creationists live in.



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14 Sep 2009, 12:05 pm

^Can't stop laughing... at Jesus-riding-dinosaur..... Too funny. :lol:


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14 Sep 2009, 5:23 pm

EC wrote:
http://conservapedia.com/Evolution
Science is trying to destroy us.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Barack_Obama
Birth certificate crap and, a subtle reference to him being the anti-christ, and all that good paranoia, fearmongering, and black PR and propaganda.

http://www.conservapedia.com/George_Bush
Hail our master.

Now as far as Jesus riding on dinosaurs, this isn't on Conservapedia yet, but most likely because they haven't found a way to interject it into an article yet. Anyway, this is what I'm talking about:
[img]htti27.tinypic.com/2h6yet3.jpg[/ing]

Earth is 6000-years-old, so they like to pay lip-service to that. It goes on like that. For example, Dinosaurs were vegetarians until Eve ate the apple. I'm sorry I can't go on like this, it makes my brain hurt to unravel this weird alternate reality that Creationists live in.


For one, even Young Earth Creationists accept evolution, for the definition that it is the "time rate of change of allele frequency". Also, a lot of the founders of the major branches of science were creationists, as well as people like Von Braun and others in the modern era and today even having PhD's in science majors. Christians and Creationists aren't afraid of "science" destroying their beliefs. And really, evolution, even in the sense of all the storytelling, diagrams, and septillions of years of fictional history, is only one facet of biology. Take it away, you still have all the rest of observable and testable science left.

Two, Obama is doing basically the same things as Bush except he has immunity from insult for two reasons, 1) insulting him would make you a racist, and 2) he's a democrat.

Three, eh some people hated Julius Caesar, some loved him. Bush isn't like Caesar, but there is always polarity in people's feelings for leaders.

Four, as for dinosaurs living contemporaneously with humans:

Venatores Draconum wrote:
This is about 250 BC.

"Now while Regulus was encamped beside the Bagradas river, there appeared a serpent of huge bulk, the length of which is said to have been one hundred and twenty feet (for its slough was carried to Rome for exhibition), and the rest of its body corresponded in size. It destroyed many of the soldiers who approached it and some also who were drinking from the river. Regulus overcame it with a crowd of soldiers and with catapults.

After thus destroying it, he gave battle by night to Hamilcar, who was encamped upon a high, wooded spot; and he slew many in their beds as well as many who had been aroused. Any who escaped fell in with the Romans guarding the roads and perished. In this way a large part of the Carthaginians was destroyed and many of their cities were going over to the Romans. "

Dio Cassius, Roman History, Book 11.

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/R ... o/11*.html



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14 Sep 2009, 8:51 pm

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For one, even Young Earth Creationists accept evolution, for the definition that it is the "time rate of change of allele frequency". Also, a lot of the founders of the major branches of science were creationists, as well as people like Von Braun and others in the modern era and today even having PhD's in science majors. Christians and Creationists aren't afraid of "science" destroying their beliefs. And really, evolution, even in the sense of all the storytelling, diagrams, and septillions of years of fictional history, is only one facet of biology. Take it away, you still have all the rest of observable and testable science left.


Young Earth Creationists do NOT accept evolution. If you are a Creationist, you do not by definition accept Evolution, but rather believe that the bible is a literary record of our history. I am pretty interested in who these PhD-wielding Creationists within science are, because I certainly haven't of them. Christians and Creationists ARE afraid of Science destroying their beliefs, this is one of the primary goals of the Discovery Institute -- To heal what they see as Science destroying the fabric of morality by telling people that they're monkeys and therefore can do whatever they want. Also, evolution is not only a theory, it's a fact and it can and is tested every day. Also, we have fossils that can be dated back millions of years. Wanna go further, you can do that, too, with different radioactive dating methods. To keep it simple, Carbon 14 dating can easily disprove an Earth only 6000-years-old, dead organisms have been dated over 50.000 years old with this method, so we don't really need to resort to "fictional history".

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Two, Obama is doing basically the same things as Bush except he has immunity from insult for two reasons, 1) insulting him would make you a racist, and 2) he's a democrat.

Three, eh some people hated Julius Caesar, some loved him. Bush isn't like Caesar, but there is always polarity in people's feelings for leaders.


About two: Alright, Obama is NOT doing the same things as Bush. He has trouble keeping his promises like closing Guantanamo, but Bush and Obama are in no way comparable. I think what you perceive as immunity from criticism stems from how the idiotic accusations lobbed at him are deflected because they're ret*d - I.e: He's a socialist! He's a communist! He's the anti-Christ! He's a racist! He's a Kenyan socialist, communist, anti-christ beast who is not an American citizen and he hates white people! All that being said, some of his supporters are kind of wacky, but they pale in comparison to Bush's supporters.

Three - You know, the difference between Bush and other controversial leaders is Bush is unpopular because his policies if you wanna call them that, has, and are killing his fellow countrymen. Bush is unpopular because of the wars and the civil liberties he eroded, it's not just random chance who likes him and who don't. His largest base of support however is the Christian right, and of course we see Schlafly all those dumbasses praising him and not seeing any problems whatsoever about him.


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Now while Regulus was encamped beside the Bagradas river, there appeared a serpent of huge bulk, the length of which is said to have been one hundred and twenty feet (for its slough was carried to Rome for exhibition), and the rest of its body corresponded in size. It destroyed many of the soldiers who approached it and some also who were drinking from the river. Regulus overcame it with a crowd of soldiers and with catapults.

After thus destroying it, he gave battle by night to Hamilcar, who was encamped upon a high, wooded spot; and he slew many in their beds as well as many who had been aroused. Any who escaped fell in with the Romans guarding the roads and perished. In this way a large part of the Carthaginians was destroyed and many of their cities were going over to the Romans. "


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14 Sep 2009, 9:23 pm

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Young Earth Creationists do NOT accept evolution. If you are a Creationist, you do not by definition accept Evolution, but rather believe that the bible is a literary record of our history.


No, we don't accept the psuedohistorical baggage that people make up to attach to the process of evolution, but the definition of evolution as "time rate of change of allele frequency" is perfectly acceptable. Believing in the historical parts of the Bible, yes I do that. What impact does that have with noticing that cockatiels and budgies are related? Also, what impact does it have on Boyle's Law, or the Le Chattier principle? What impact does rejecting the fabricated timeline of evolution have against Newton's Laws? Or Kepler's Laws? There is no impact on real science.

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I am pretty interested in who these PhD-wielding Creationists within science are, because I certainly haven't of them.


Here are only a few who are bold enough to have their names published: Link.


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Now while Regulus was encamped beside the Bagradas river, there appeared a serpent of huge bulk, the length of which is said to have been one hundred and twenty feet (for its slough was carried to Rome for exhibition), and the rest of its body corresponded in size. It destroyed many of the soldiers who approached it and some also who were drinking from the river. Regulus overcame it with a crowd of soldiers and with catapults.

After thus destroying it, he gave battle by night to Hamilcar, who was encamped upon a high, wooded spot; and he slew many in their beds as well as many who had been aroused. Any who escaped fell in with the Romans guarding the roads and perished. In this way a large part of the Carthaginians was destroyed and many of their cities were going over to the Romans. "


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My quote wasn't from the Bible. That was from Roman History by Cassius Dio, fragments of book 11.



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14 Sep 2009, 9:59 pm

Let me guess, the reason you skipped past what I said about radioactive dating, and correct me if I am wrong here, is because you believe that fossils are A: Planted by God to test our faith, B: In some way faked by the scientific community, or C: They do not exist at all, there are no fossils. War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength.

Disregard the wheel, and substitute it for this: That might as well be proof that dragons existed, if only it wasn't complete hearsay.

Also, believing the bible as a historical source is very, very stupid. I'll put it like this: Adam, Eve, inbreeding. That should outline the implications of taking the bible literally quite well.



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14 Sep 2009, 10:08 pm

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Let me guess, the reason you skipped past what I said about radioactive dating, and correct me if I am wrong here, is because you believe that fossils are A: Planted by God to test our faith, B: In some way faked by the scientific community, or C: They do not exist at all, there are no fossils. War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength.

Disregard the wheel, and substitute it for this: That might as well be proof that dragons existed, if only it wasn't complete hearsay.

Also, believing the bible as a historical source is very, very stupid. I'll put it like this: Adam, Eve, inbreeding. That should outline the implications of taking the bible literally quite well.


C14 needs to be calibrated against tree ring samples, of which the oldest trees are only about 4,500 years old.

Dragon, dracon, tannim, wyrm, etc, are synonymous with dinosaur. The word dinosaur has only been around since 1841, the other words have be around much longer. A Roman historian making a false claim concerning the actions of the Senate would actually have been considered blasphemous at the time of the Republic. A crime to be punished by torturous death.

Adam and Chavah were not brother and sister, but genetically perfect and the genome has degraded over time. Also, you are ignorant of most of the Bible's history if you think that accepting it is "very, very stupid". The part that concerns the antediluvian period only takes up 6 chapters, the deluge only takes up 3 chapters, and the events before Abraham only take up 2 chapters. How does that compare with the entire books of Samuel, Kings, or Chronicles? Books you've probably never bothered to glance at because believing anything they say is predetermined to be "very, very stupid" therefore reading it would also be "very, very stupid". Leaving you ignorant of their contents.



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15 Sep 2009, 11:33 am

I just looked at the article on Social Democracy. The only reference they use is Friedrich A. Hayek's Road to Serfdom (Reader's Digest Condensced Version). How can you take a site like that seriously? :lol:

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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15 Sep 2009, 11:55 am

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I just looked at the article on Social Democracy. The only reference they use is Friedrich A. Hayek's Road to Serfdom (Reader's Digest Condensced Version). How can you take a site like that seriously? :lol:

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Social democratic nations in Scandinavia have made their people happy despite a difficult northern European climate with regular winter dark.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


In the same manner that one could take any other wiki. It's all user developed content that is supposed to have citing.

Just like, which is more reliable concerning information about the Roman Army? Wikipedia (or any wiki site) or an expert like Adrian Goldsworthy?