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Rudywalsh
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18 Jun 2013, 6:16 am

Surely we are not alone.



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18 Jun 2013, 6:47 am

As the science adviser to President Eisenhower said "either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. Either way... it blows your mind."

( he didnt really use the phrase "blow your mind" but that was the ghist of what he said- I cant find the exact quote. Lol).


We had a similiar thread here recently.
To repeat what I said in that thread: one star system in a million probably has a body with bacteria-like organisms. Maybe one in a hundred of those bodies get beyond the bacteria stage. Of those planets maybe one in a million probably evolve sentient beings. So there probably are more than one intelligent creatures in the universe comparable to (or beyond) us. But they are few and far between. So few and far between that they dont encounter each other. So IMHO UFO's have nothing to do with extraterrestrial intelligent life forms. They are probably not alien spacecraft. Even creatures on realively close stars would take centuries to get here at sublight speeds. And there probably are not intelligent beings relatively close anyway. The next one could be in the next galaxy two million light years away, or some large fraction of the 100 thousand lightyear width of our own galaxy way.



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18 Jun 2013, 9:41 am

If UFO,s are not alien spacecrafts then what are they?



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18 Jun 2013, 9:54 am

Rudywalsh wrote:
Surely we are not alone.

UFOs, by definition, are flying objects that have not been identified. Why any rational person could start off with "I don't know what that is up there" to "Space aliens are mutilating cattle and abducting rednecks to probe their anuses" in one blind, flying leap is beyond the realm of sanity and logic. An agnostic approach to extra-terrestrial civilizations ("Given the available data, we just don't know") is most accurate that we can be.

Click on this link for a more reasoned and concise response. - it will take you to another thread called "Are UFO's Real" in the "Computers, Math, Science, and Technology " forum.

Believing in the myth of "Extraterrestrials Among Us" allows the comfort of believing in something without the discomfort of having to actually prove that they exist.



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18 Jun 2013, 10:04 am

Rudywalsh wrote:
If UFO,s are not alien spacecrafts then what are they?

An unidentified flying object, or UFO is any apparent anomaly in the sky that is not readily identifiable as any known object or phenomenon by visual observation and/or use of associated instrumentation such as radar.

A UFO is nothing more than an Unidentified Flying Object.

Nothing has come from the study of UFOs in the past 21 years that has added to scientific knowledge...further extensive study of UFOs probably cannot be justified in the expectation that science will be advanced thereby. Choose the nearest star; decide how long you're willing to travel, how fast you will need to go to get there in that time, what you will have to take with you, and how many should be in the crew. Make it a one-way suicide mission if you wish. As a final step, calculate the kinetic energy that must be imparted to the spaceship to get you there in that time (one half the mass times the velocity squared.) I suggest you stay away from the relativistic limit; it complicates the calculation and won't help you anyway. The good news is that you will then sleep secure in the knowledge that UFOs from elsewhere in the galaxy are not subjecting humans to hideous experiments.

Or, to put it in simpler terms, with our present technology, it would take 28,000 years for a simple robot probe to reach the AB Centauri system, which is "only" about 4.37 Light-Years away.

UFOlogy is the mythology of the space age. Rather than demigods from Olympus or Valhalla, we now have Aliens From a Distant Planet (cue the theremin music). This mythology is solely the product of the creative imagination, propagated by people whose joy in life is to spread fear and doubt among the ignorant and gullible masses.



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18 Jun 2013, 10:13 am

I don't think aliens have visited Earth because society is far too primitive and they may uphold a code like the Prime Directive in Star Trek which means that they cannot interfere in the development of pre warp civilisations because of cultural contamination and so they amy stick to that type of value system. Any UFOs are just terran phenomena such as aeroplane lights, clouds, camera tricks or film errors and balloons. However it does not mean they are not out there I believe that they are out there because its almost inevitable because the amount of stars in the galaxy and galaxies in the universe :arrow:



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18 Jun 2013, 10:46 am

I think the aliens should leave Earth and return to their own galaxy; there aren't enough decent paying jobs here as it is without aliens with four arms and two heads taking all the jobs. :evil: I'm sure their spacecraft are responsible global warming too, messing up the climate with their anti-gravity energy beams. Send them all home I say! :evil:


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18 Jun 2013, 10:51 am

So all the reports of sightings of UFO, s over the years are just flying objects nobody can identify, so there is no chance that an alien might be flying any of them then?

Some videos I have seen over the years seem to suggest these unmanned objects are capable of some pretty amazing manoeuvres.

Maybe other civilizations are so far ahead of us with their technology and their own evolution that they find us uninteresting with nothing much to offer.

We are still quite a primitive species are we not, we have so much to learn and understand.



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18 Jun 2013, 10:55 am

I agree with Tallyman, they should all be pushed back through which ever black hole they came from and leave our cows alone.



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18 Jun 2013, 10:59 am

Rudywalsh wrote:
So all the reports of sightings of UFO, s over the years are just flying objects nobody can identify, so there is no chance that an alien might be flying any of them then?


A handful of such reports I've seen on various TV documentaries seem credible and are maybe alien aircraft. I guess we won't know for sure unless one stops over the Whitehouse and starts a 60 minute countdown. :wink: Speculating... I'd image that any such alien aircraft may actually be the aliens themselves, rather than contain organic based aliens. In the future I think it highly likely that mankind will create an AI capable of rapid evolution, completely surpassing the abilities of its creators and lacking many of the restraints regarding the fragility and limited lifespan of organic based life. If intelligent aliens exist elsewhere in the galaxy, I think the creation of AI is inevitable and that it will likely succeed its creators.


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18 Jun 2013, 11:10 am

My wife sometimes throws objects at me in the middle of the night when it’s dark, I guess you could say i.ve had contact with UFO,s.



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18 Jun 2013, 12:08 pm

I believe in aliens. :)



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18 Jun 2013, 12:56 pm

Aliens is a terrific film. Not sure about UFOs. Is it on Blu-ray?



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18 Jun 2013, 1:48 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
We had a similiar thread here recently.
To repeat what I said in that thread: one star system in a million probably has a body with bacteria-like organisms. Maybe one in a hundred of those bodies get beyond the bacteria stage. Of those planets maybe one in a million probably evolve sentient beings. So there probably are more than one intelligent creatures in the universe comparable to (or beyond) us. But they are few and far between. So few and far between that they dont encounter each other. So IMHO UFO's have nothing to do with extraterrestrial intelligent life forms. They are probably not alien spacecraft. Even creatures on realively close stars would take centuries to get here at sublight speeds. And there probably are not intelligent beings relatively close anyway. The next one could be in the next galaxy two million light years away, or some large fraction of the 100 thousand lightyear width of our own galaxy way.


I'm inclined to agree. -- The most common substance (pardon the word) in the universe is empty space. Stars in an average spiral galaxy are so sparsely distributed that two spiral galaxies colliding head-on would pass through each other with no stellar collisons, provided gravitation could be left out of the picture.



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19 Jun 2013, 1:25 am

Is it possible human beings are aliens, we are sooo different to all the other animals and creatures on earth?



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19 Jun 2013, 1:55 am

Rudywalsh wrote:
Is it possible human beings are aliens, we are sooo different to all the other animals and creatures on earth?


We are not different at all from other vertebrate animals. Head with mouth and two eyes and ears, four legs, intestines, senses.