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14 Dec 2013, 5:37 pm

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... Off-topic: Fnord, who is that in your avatar? A games character?

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14 Dec 2013, 6:44 pm

beneficii wrote:
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I think that's only true if the "but" part is excuse-making.
If you say to a customer "I'm sorry, but we're out of x item", you may very well be genuinely sorry.
If you're a parent saying to a child "I'm sorry you're upset, but I really could not allow you to have that sharp knife", you may very well be sorry that they're upset.
If you say to your friend "I'm sorry I can't come to your party, but I'm afraid I have other plans", you may very well regret not being able to go to the party.


Apologies are not supposed to represent simple regret, but are supposed to be admissions of wrongdoing and an expression of contrition. In none of your examples is there an admission of wrongdoing.


Your definition is too narrow. The phrase "I'm sorry" can also express regret for things out of one's control.


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16 Dec 2013, 9:50 am

redrobin62 wrote:
^ Or, "I'm not saying this to be mean, but..." when you are clearly going to say something that is mean.


Indeed. Of course another classic of this idiom is "I'm not a racist, but...".



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16 Dec 2013, 11:14 pm

My mum's the queen of that sort of non apology. She caught herself in the act today when I was talking to her on the phone.


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