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Kuraudo7777
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06 Dec 2018, 4:08 pm

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Help.

Kura?


Nearly an hour late, but here I am.

I've come to a conclusion as to why so many relationships [both in fiction and real life] ultimately fall apart, and I think it can be boiled down to one question:
Do they care, and if they care, is it at a core level?
If the intimate compassion and deep bond of genuine love isn't there, and the characters/people don't have enough in common, the relationship becomes shallow and based more or less on infatuation very quickly.

At least, this is how I see it.


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06 Dec 2018, 4:22 pm

I sometimes get the feeling that hardly anyone in the world knows what love is anymore.

I'm reminded of that verse in the bible that says that love is patient and kind and long-suffering.
Love to me feels like suffering, but it's a sweet suffering.
How that makes sense I don't know.
People tell me that love feels like joy, but that's impossible.
No one could feel joy for that long.


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06 Dec 2018, 4:29 pm

I don't know if I've ever experienced love. I'm sure I'd know it if I had...


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06 Dec 2018, 4:39 pm

I have the experience but not the words.
You have the words but not the experience.

Words confuse things anyway.


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06 Dec 2018, 4:41 pm

So much is dependent on words that in the end don't mean anything.

'Look at the moon, not the person pointing to it.'


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06 Dec 2018, 4:47 pm

I think we suffer because we make far more accommodations and sacrifices for the ones we love.

We accept all their flaws along with their qualities and get the same back.

It is far easier to forgive when love is involved.



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06 Dec 2018, 4:50 pm

Kuraudo7777 wrote:
So much is dependent on words that in the end don't mean anything.

'Look at the moon, not the person pointing to it.'


"Words are dull servants who say less and worse than we feel".

Earle Birney, For George Lamming, 1964


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06 Dec 2018, 5:04 pm

Temeraire wrote:
I think we suffer because we make far more accommodations and sacrifices for the ones we love.

We accept all their flaws along with their qualities and get the same back.

It is far easier to forgive when love is involved.

I probably didn't explain well.
The feeling of love feels like pain or suffering, not that anything's been done to cause pain or suffering.
It literally feels like pain in my heart when I think of love.
People tell me that's not right, it shouldn't feel like that.


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06 Dec 2018, 5:09 pm



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06 Dec 2018, 5:09 pm

Raleigh wrote:
Temeraire wrote:
I think we suffer because we make far more accommodations and sacrifices for the ones we love.

We accept all their flaws along with their qualities and get the same back.

It is far easier to forgive when love is involved.

I probably didn't explain well.
The feelingof love feels like pain or suffering, not that anything's been done to cause pain or suffering.
It literally feels like pain in my heart when I think of love.
People tell me that's not right, it shouldn't feel like that.


Ah, I get you. Mine is more in my tummy and it can move to my heart.

Some people can be very disconnected from these feelings too, Mr Raleigh.

For me the feeling is similar to pain but not quite that - more like a yearning which can change to a joy like brain freeze. I feel warm and glowing too.

But not all the time, as I said before, it is more about those moments.



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06 Dec 2018, 5:15 pm

how do you restore hope?


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06 Dec 2018, 5:23 pm

I've never found hope very useful.
It's another one of those things that seems meaningless.
"I hope you get better"
"I hope I don't die"
I find visualisation more useful.


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06 Dec 2018, 5:29 pm

I have no hope for the future but I can see it.
And if I don't get there I've already experienced it.


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06 Dec 2018, 5:33 pm

It's just one of those words people throw around that don't really mean anything like "maternal" or "addiction".



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06 Dec 2018, 5:34 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Kuraudo7777 wrote:
So much is dependent on words that in the end don't mean anything.

'Look at the moon, not the person pointing to it.'


"Words are dull servants who say less and worse than we feel".

Earle Birney, For George Lamming, 1964


But they can still conjure up something sublime in persisting attempts to get the feelings across


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06 Dec 2018, 5:35 pm

Kiprobalhato wrote:
how do you restore hope?


we can never be fulfilled completely by this world .. so i don’t believe in hopes


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