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12 Jun 2019, 6:00 am

here is something that may puzzle european readers, i read it back in the 1970s in a book called "Jimmy Carter's America- a dictionary of southern-speak" - one entry distinguished between the northern and southern definitions of the word [noun] smear.
northern definition- a stain spread by friction
southern definition- one's organ of hearing
example of southern definition used in speech- "whazzat unduh mah hay-uh? whah, that's SMEAR!"



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12 Jun 2019, 8:14 am

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...I've noticed that " estate " means I guess any single-family/personnhouse in British, " middle-class estates ", even " council estates " in the UK for (houses, not apartments)bfor " the projects/county housing " here.



An 'estate' as commonly used in the UK refers to a whole development of housing units, not single houses, flats or even a block of flats. It usually comprises several hundred dwellings, but large estates can be made up of a few thousand. You mainly tend to hear of lower-ranking housing as 'estates', as indeed in 'council estates', though many of the latter have been semi-privatized.


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12 Jun 2019, 8:16 am

“Housing Estates,” especially Council Estates, are equivalent to NYC’s “Projects”—though usually not as crime-ridden.



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12 Jun 2019, 1:19 pm

auntblabby wrote:
here is something that may puzzle european readers, i read it back in the 1970s in a book called "Jimmy Carter's America- a dictionary of southern-speak" - one entry distinguished between the northern and southern definitions of the word [noun] smear.
northern definition- a stain spread by friction
southern definition- one's organ of hearing
example of southern definition used in speech- "whazzat unduh mah hay-uh? whah, that's SMEAR!"

Nobody here sounds like that.


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12 Jun 2019, 2:13 pm

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Before supper my English host asked, "Do you fancy faggots?" I didn't know how to respond as fa***t is a derogatory term for homosexuals here. I found out later that faggots are a kind of meatball with onions.


“fa***t” has a few meanings. In Italian, “fagotto” means a bundle of sticks. When on an orchestral score, it means bassoon. I also seen it used to refer to cigarette. Also, “fagged” at one time meant to be tired.

In short, it all depends on context.


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12 Jun 2019, 2:21 pm

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We say “Ya’ll”instead of “You guys.”Really old people would sometimes use “you’uns” but that’s hardly ever heard anymore.Sometimes a group of men can be called boys.


I hear y’inz or you’uns a good bit from people that grew up in Western PA and West Virginia. Used to drive me batty.


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12 Jun 2019, 4:17 pm

Meistersinger wrote:
Redxk wrote:
Before supper my English host asked, "Do you fancy faggots?" I didn't know how to respond as fa***t is a derogatory term for homosexuals here. I found out later that faggots are a kind of meatball with onions.


“fa***t” has a few meanings. In Italian, “fagotto” means a bundle of sticks. When on an orchestral score, it means bassoon. I also seen it used to refer to cigarette. Also, “fagged” at one time meant to be tired.

In short, it all depends on context.

As I understand it the British homophobic slur is "fairy".


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12 Jun 2019, 4:20 pm

Does anyone in the UK still actually use Cockney Rhyming Slang, or is it just a novelty?


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12 Jun 2019, 5:50 pm

^ I lived in London for over a quarter of a century (1980-2007), and can't recall hearing any rhyming slang at all.


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12 Jun 2019, 5:55 pm

A fairy is an effeminate homosexual in the United States. Mostly derogatory.



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12 Jun 2019, 5:56 pm

Fnord wrote:
Does anyone in the UK still actually use Cockney Rhyming Slang, or is it just a novelty?


I'm not a cockney but here are a few phrases I use , there are more but I can't .

I'm going to have a butchers or give us a butchers ( butchers hook = look )
Me barnet is all messed up. ( Barnet Fair = hair )
I need a gypsy's ( Gyspy's Kiss = Piss )
I need a tom tit ( Tom tit = s**t )
Nice cup of Rosie ( Rosie Lee = Tea )
Ooh! me Farmers ( Farmer Giles = Piles )
Alright me old china ( China Plate = Mate )
That's pony ( Pony & trap = crap )
Ruby night ( Ruby Murray = Curry )
Check out that syrup ( Syrup Of Fig = wig )


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12 Jun 2019, 6:08 pm

Fnord wrote:
Does anyone in the UK still actually use Cockney Rhyming Slang, or is it just a novelty?

Aside from the East End of London and a few rhymes that leaked out into wider British English, it always was a novelty to the vast majority Brits. That it's so well known is more down to popular caricature than anything else - on the rare occasions that you hear it, it's usually just for comical emphasis or in mockery of Londoners (no doubt doubly annoying to the majority of Londoners who aren't even Cockneys even if their accent is similar.) At best, most folks can run off a couple of canonical examples if they're asked; and they usually do this incorrectly by speaking the rhyming part when the whole point is that you're not supposed to.

When folks use the rhymes that slipped into wider British English, they very often haven't the slightest idea what their origin was - the insult "berk" being a good example, which people are now relearning on account of Jeremy "Berkshire" Hunt (to some of his opponents) being in the running for PM (I'll let you fathom for yourselves what "Berkshire Hunt" is rhymed with! :wink: ) The argot of US rap music is far more popular as slang than anything from a Mary Poppins song and dance number these days!

PS: Nor do all Yorkshire folk say "eeh, bah gum" every other sentence!


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12 Jun 2019, 6:14 pm

Gotta watch what you say around the erretfay — bottle & stopper ya know.


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12 Jun 2019, 6:17 pm

Trogluddite wrote:

PS: Nor do all Yorkshire folk say "eeh, bah gum" every other sentence!


But they are all black belt in Ecky-Thump 8)


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12 Jun 2019, 6:25 pm

Darmok wrote:
Gotta watch what you say around the erretfay — bottle & stopper ya know.


Speak English man , me no comprende :P


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