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21 Aug 2020, 1:38 pm

I'm curious...how do y'all see this crisis ending? How long will it take, and will our lifestyles be permanently changed? Or will we snap back into the old patterns as soon as we are allowed to?

I suspect that a "cashless" economy is on the agenda, but that's just me.


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21 Aug 2020, 3:30 pm

Well I'm hoping that this will all become old news one day and herd immunity will end the virus crisis, although the virus will still obviously exist but all the hype will die down and everyone would be like, "hey, whatever happened to that COVID-19 virus? Nobody mentions it any more." The world would just be clearing up the economic mess we have let the virus put us into.


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21 Aug 2020, 5:23 pm

Joe90 wrote:
Well I'm hoping that this will all become old news one day and herd immunity will end the virus crisis, although the virus will still obviously exist but all the hype will die down and everyone would be like, "hey, whatever happened to that COVID-19 virus? Nobody mentions it any more." The world would just be clearing up the economic mess we have let the virus put us into.


Unfortunately researchers do not believe herd immunity will be possible with Covid-19 due to the presence of multiple strains and because they are finding that antibodies dissipate over time. See the following papers for references:


Rapid Decay of Anti–SARS-CoV-2 Antibodies in Persons with Mild Covid-19

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2025179


Longitudinal evaluation and decline of antibody responses in SARS-CoV-2 infection https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 20148429v1



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21 Aug 2020, 6:49 pm

Vaccines, I hope. I'll take it daily if I must.
I absolutely. Do. Not. Wanna. Catch. This. ****. Virus.


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21 Aug 2020, 7:42 pm

I believe this stupid virus will be the straw that breaks America's back. First the uncontrolled virus outbreak, then the sacked economy, now the violent riots and looting. We are witnessing a domino effect here. :(


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22 Aug 2020, 1:18 am

AuroraBorealisGazer wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
Well I'm hoping that this will all become old news one day and herd immunity will end the virus crisis, although the virus will still obviously exist but all the hype will die down and everyone would be like, "hey, whatever happened to that COVID-19 virus? Nobody mentions it any more." The world would just be clearing up the economic mess we have let the virus put us into.


Unfortunately researchers do not believe herd immunity will be possible with Covid-19 due to the presence of multiple strains and because they are finding that antibodies dissipate over time. See the following papers for references:


Rapid Decay of Anti–SARS-CoV-2 Antibodies in Persons with Mild Covid-19

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2025179


Longitudinal evaluation and decline of antibody responses in SARS-CoV-2 infection https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 20148429v1


But what if they don't successfully find a vaccine? How come they've never found a vaccine for the common cold or norovirus? I don't think I can carry on with these social restrictions much longer.


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22 Aug 2020, 1:43 am

Joe90 wrote:
AuroraBorealisGazer wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
Well I'm hoping that this will all become old news one day and herd immunity will end the virus crisis, although the virus will still obviously exist but all the hype will die down and everyone would be like, "hey, whatever happened to that COVID-19 virus? Nobody mentions it any more." The world would just be clearing up the economic mess we have let the virus put us into.


Unfortunately researchers do not believe herd immunity will be possible with Covid-19 due to the presence of multiple strains and because they are finding that antibodies dissipate over time. See the following papers for references:


Rapid Decay of Anti–SARS-CoV-2 Antibodies in Persons with Mild Covid-19

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2025179


Longitudinal evaluation and decline of antibody responses in SARS-CoV-2 infection https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 20148429v1


But what if they don't successfully find a vaccine? How come they've never found a vaccine for the common cold or norovirus? I don't think I can carry on with these social restrictions much longer.


I wish I had a good answer for you but the truth is there's still a lot of uncertainty. I'm high risk so this has been a major stresser. We can only hope that it end soon.



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22 Aug 2020, 4:04 am

I hope it ends the stigma on those of us who are on disability benefits or work from home and on those of us who prefer to socialise at home.

I hoped it would mean that people who do need friends would spend such time more productively - go bowling or cinema or something - but already our streets are becoming full of gangs of drunks again :roll:

I hope the 2 metre thing is there for good cos I hate apologising when someone bumps into me. Feels so fake and it actually hurts when someone bumps into me, so it shouldn't be a mutual apology as is socially the norm.


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23 Aug 2020, 6:30 pm

My ultimate worry at this point is that even when the vaccine or antiviral drug becomes widely available, the virus will mutate in a way that the vaccine will be useless. If that happens, then what?


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23 Aug 2020, 6:42 pm

CubsBullsBears wrote:
My ultimate worry at this point is that even when the vaccine or antiviral drug becomes widely available, the virus will mutate in a way that the vaccine will be useless. If that happens, then what?


By then most people will be immune and will be able to fight it off. Just like with all the other viruses. The whole world is only freaking out about COVID because it's a new virus and the media is focusing on the number of deaths. One day it won't be a new virus.
There are other viruses and diseases that they haven't got a vaccine for are still going around and people die from, and if the media reported the number of deaths each day from of those (including the flu) then we would have started social distancing decades ago. There are several different types of flu and the flu vaccine doesn't prevent them all. Many vulnerable people still die from flu and norovirus, which can be passed on by potential carriers who are asymptomatic, just like with COVID. But the world doesn't go into lockdown every winter because of this. Viruses are part of life, and we're lucky the COVID isn't some horrifying disease that kills like 80% of people of any age. Instead 80% of people show no symptoms at all with this COVID.


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23 Aug 2020, 8:23 pm

The Spanish flu that came right at the end of the First World War did eventually burn itself out -so to speak.

There were three waves. A bad wave, then it subsided in summer, then a WORSE wave in the winter, and then a third wave that was actually somewhat mild. And then it kinda just went away. And then society got back to normal, and the economy boomed -and the "roaring Twenties" began. And then came the Depression. And then early in WWII the US actually invented a vaccine for the Spanish Flu (even though it had subsided almost twenty years earlier.) They were afraid the great movements of troops in the new war would spread the disease all over again. They gave vaccine only to servicemen going overseas. Then after the war the innoculated everyone. But the vaccine was long after the Spanish Flu had already subsided in 1920.

Less deadly than the Bubonic Plague, but more deadly than the regular flu, the Spanish Flu was comparable to Covid in death rate apparently. But it was a flu virus and not a covid. People who get it may not stay immune. So we just dont know. We may get herd immunity, or not. We may get a vaccine, or it may be like AIDs and we never get a vaccine.



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28 Aug 2020, 10:15 am

I'm beginning to suspect we'll still be "locked down" in 2021 :skull:


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28 Aug 2020, 11:50 am

Romofan wrote:
I'm beginning to suspect we'll still be "locked down" in 2021 :skull:


For a virus that 80% of people don't get ill from.


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28 Aug 2020, 12:00 pm

^spoken like someone who's not in a high risk group



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28 Aug 2020, 12:07 pm

Steve1963 wrote:
^spoken like someone who's not in a high risk group


No but my mother is and so is my boyfriend. I'm only being careful not to catch it and pass it on to them. It doesn't mean I am happy with these stupid restrictions. They seem to be taking forever to get a successful vaccine and it's strange how they still don't know much about the virus in this day and age with all the medical knowledge and technology we have. I mean, we can send a man to the moon but we can't find any knowledge about a type of coronavirus?


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28 Aug 2020, 12:42 pm

They're working as fast as they can on developing a safe vaccine, but it will take time.



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