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09 Dec 2008, 6:32 pm

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i've never heard anyone call it the hell weed before



Me neither.



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09 Dec 2008, 6:41 pm

My younger brother used and abused that stuff for years now he is collecting disability and talking to fire hydrants....


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09 Dec 2008, 11:21 pm

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Well, if it doesnt cause retardation. It causes brain damage and brings on schizophrenia which causes it so severe, many of them patients commiit suicide plus my friend was ganged raped when she was a young teenager from smoking that.
She was out of it to begin with and then she ended up being taking away by men. Scu,m and
they did whatever they wanted to her and raped her over and over again. She was still just a kid! so I hate it.
I hate marjuanna for 101 reasons, FACTUAL!


It does not cause brain damage. I already contradicted this with REAL FACTS earlier in this thread. Read.

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smoking marijuana is definitely NOT anti-cancerous. smoking any plant is bad for your lungs and will probably increase your risk of mouth, throat and lung cancer.

and the IQ tests weren't done while they were high, they'd probably be a hell of a lot lower if that's how they were tested. they tested people who smoke marijuana on a regular or semi-regular basis. it's been pretty widely recognized that marijuana decreases short term memory, and that's probably where the biggest drop comes from, but for most of them it jumped back up after they stopped. now these were younger people, so we're not talking about years and years of chronic use, which could very well cause permanent damage, especially to older brains.


You linked me to a government website. That is not a legitimate authority.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01729.html

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 193338.htm

Regular users are always a little high. It stays in the system. I'm pretty sure they did a study with long time users and the results was the same. I'll have to fish around more for that one.

But, since marijuana does not cause any brain damage, that is a very illogical assumption.



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09 Dec 2008, 11:29 pm

If a government website isn't legitimate authority, then what is? Some crappily assembled website made by some crack-head with porno ads?


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09 Dec 2008, 11:36 pm

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If a government website isn't legitimate authority, then what is? Some crappily assembled website made by some crack-head with porno ads?


A scientific study.

Did you really need to ask this? Governments push a political agenda...



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10 Dec 2008, 12:34 am

Well I find that ALL political agendas will say the pot's bad. It must be illegal for a reason. Personally I think alcohol should have more strict rules for it because of how dangerous it can be and make people to be.

You said the negative effects are rare. Well here you have two examples where the subject got RAPED, and multiple other examples. Call that rare?


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10 Dec 2008, 4:25 am

^^^
I'd say that those examples are more indicative of the possible evils of human nature rather than the evils of the drug itself. The same could be said of opiates, alcohol or any other psychoactive substance. While weed may have left the victim incapacitated, it certainly can't be said that weed was responsible for turning the men into rapists. I'm sure that they were pieces of s**t, regardless of their recreational drug of choice.

By the way, I worked on two of those "above the influence" psa's. I made the silicone bodies for the one with the deflated girl, and the one with the girl who looked like an accordian. Hey, it wasn't my choice, my boss (who smokes occasionally) booked the job.

Anyways, most of the people involved with the production had smoked weed, and most of them actually agreed that it wasn't that bad. After having spoken with the head of "partnership for a drug-free America" I can honestly say that they are pretty full of s**t. They're generally just religious types who will say anything they can to keep kids away from drugs, because after all "it's all about the children".

It's more to the point that they'll do and say what they can in order to get the results that will help them to keep getting a paycheck.

By the way, the face on this body was from an old life-cast of Winona Ryder that we had at the studio.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUxjI8BhJDk[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRiGD4VRIf0[/youtube]



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11 Dec 2008, 11:48 am

Pot always helped me creativities, but the paranoia isn't worth it.



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11 Dec 2008, 10:27 pm

It was eventually revelaed that Carl Sagan attributed some of his creative works to his pot usage.

Carl Sagan was a prolific writer, and wrote the book "Contact" which was later made into a movie of the same name staring Jodie foster. Incidentally, the book "Contact" is where Carl Sagan coined the term "worm hole", based on some physics his physicist friend Kip Thorne created for his book, heh.



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12 Dec 2008, 6:27 am

Owendust wrote:
^^^
I'd say that those examples are more indicative of the possible evils of human nature rather than the evils of the drug itself. The same could be said of opiates, alcohol or any other psychoactive substance. While weed may have left the victim incapacitated, it certainly can't be said that weed was responsible for turning the men into rapists. I'm sure that they were pieces of s**t, regardless of their recreational drug of choice.

By the way, I worked on two of those "above the influence" psa's. I made the silicone bodies for the one with the deflated girl, and the one with the girl who looked like an accordian. Hey, it wasn't my choice, my boss (who smokes occasionally) booked the job.

Anyways, most of the people involved with the production had smoked weed, and most of them actually agreed that it wasn't that bad. After having spoken with the head of "partnership for a drug-free America" I can honestly say that they are pretty full of sh**. They're generally just religious types who will say anything they can to keep kids away from drugs, because after all "it's all about the children".

It's more to the point that they'll do and say what they can in order to get the results that will help them to keep getting a paycheck.

By the way, the face on this body was from an old life-cast of Winona Ryder that we had at the studio.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUxjI8BhJDk[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRiGD4VRIf0[/youtube]

Whaha this comercial has been put in family guy to lol xD
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJC1IALVOq8[/youtube]



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12 Dec 2008, 3:15 pm

Added note: Don't anyone DARE compare pot to alcohol because "BUH BUH BUH it's legal!". It shouldn't be as legal the way it is now. Alcohol is the cause for for more than HALF the crime in NZ and has over 100 negative effects to the body with prolonged use. Alcohol is WORSE than pot because it is legal.


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13 Dec 2008, 5:46 pm

I would personally give my opinion that cannabis does open perception to fully embrace more indepth concepts and more peaceful endeavours. I believe that cannabis takes away all the facades of life and awakens the mind to ideas it would not normally consider. The possibilities with cannabis truly are endless and I guess the only limitation is the physical will to write/type these ideas down.

When I have a joint I admit I am much more talkative than normal. The language I use is a far more intellectual and insightful form of communication that I usually utilise. I find myself conjuring scenarios for stories I could write, and characters I could create. Cannabis truly sets me free from the chains that this society wraps around each and every one of us, it allows me to see through all the fakeness and banalities of life and its contents.

Cannabis is the only drug that:

A. Isn't shoved down all of our throats 24/7 by television and the mainstream media, just like alcohol is, and

B. has always had campaigns in its favour with the goal of either legalisation, and/or decriminalisation.

The reason for that is that class A drugs such as heroin, have clear, blatant and undeniable fatal and devastating outcomes as a result of consumption and abuse.

Whereas alcohol, THE NUMBER 2 KILLER DRUG IN THE WORLD is in fact taxed so a decline in its advertisement and promotion would prove detrimental to the economy since the apathetic herd that society has become always falls victim to the promises of grandiour and infinate sex appeal that alcohol shamelessly makes to us.

The other major killers in this world being Cancer, heart disease and road traffic accidents. And guess what....................... A CONSIDERABLE PORTION OF THOSE ARE CAUSED BY ALCOHOL!! !! !! !! !

So shameless in fact is the mainstream media is that they would banally plaster anti-drug documentaries on television, and during the commercial break we have..........wait for it........ SOUTHERN COMFORT!! !! ! JACK DANIELS!! !! !! !! ! BUDWEISER!! !! !! !! SMIRNOFF ICE!! !! !! !! ! MILLERS!! !! !! !! !! !! STELLA ARTOIS!! !! !! !! !! !
Come on everybody, lets be hypocritical about drugs!! !! ! We just say dont snort, inject, smoke, or pop them. BUT BY ALL MEANS DRINK YOUR DRUG!! !! !!

You get the idea.

All I ask is for you all to ask yourselves which is the worst drug. Alcohol, or cannabis.


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14 Dec 2008, 3:38 am

I don't need cannabis to be creative, myself. To me, you're not yourself when you're on a joint. I don't need cannabis to see lies and deceit.

I can't actually decide which is worse, alcohol or cannabis.


(BTW, down here in NZ, we have DB, Heineken and Tui. Gotta love those Tui ads)


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14 Dec 2008, 3:41 am

drugs...you gotta use drugs



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14 Dec 2008, 9:59 am

Thats good KBABZ, I'm glad to hear that you have no trouble bringing out your creative side. It's good to hear there are some people in the world who are well tapped into that side of themselves. I however was speaking from my own perspective about how pot affects me. Not that I have any trouble bringing out my creative side, hell, I'm creating all the time. As aspies, we ALL know what it's like to be the proud creater of their own reality. The world we see through our eyes is the world of our own creation. At least thats how I perceive Asperger's.

My point is that I'm always on a mission to be a better person and more creative every single day that I'm alive. I've personally told Father Time to go away and wait for me to be ready for him, so every day that I'm alive is a gift. An extention on an insurance policy that must be collected one day. We all die eventually. It's just a matter of time. So with this said, the will to make the most of your life WHILE you're alive becomes all that much more precious. Life has risks. But its all in the way we perceive and act on those risks that makes a life worth living or not.

We all struggle to find our way in life and sometimes it takes a lot for us to realise our calling. Sometimes even tragedy must take hold of our lives before we realise what our calling is. Myself for example. I had no idea who I was or what I could do before I was terminally ill for a long time. And during my treatment in hospital I had an epiphany. I decided to push my life towards the goal of Oncology. But also to branch out in goals which would help the cause of Aspies and Auties around the world.

I'm currently writing a book on Asperger's and I've submitted it to the website for the National Autistic Society website and I'm awaiting an e-mail from them in the case that my material will be appropriate for publication on the website. Maybe they won't contact me, but maybe they will. Who knows, whichever the outcome may be, I welcome it. Because I will know that I tried.

That's the gamble we muct all take in life. You have to reach for what you want otherwise you will never know that you can. We live our lives with this disability and for some of us it's too much. Sometimes our creativity is disabled by our disability.

But for some of you its easy. Myself for example, I find it easy to delve into my creative side when writing and sometimes. Not always, but sometimes cannabis does enhance the depth of creativity.


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14 Dec 2008, 10:10 am

I would STRONGLY recommend the words of the late Bill hicks to anyone who thinks Cannabis is bad. HILARIOUS man. Shame he's dead, but he had some GOOD things to say about the world. A true role model to me.


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