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03 Aug 2010, 10:12 pm

Unless there are women who are auto-fertilizing somehow and giving birth to clones, blaming women for autism makes no sense. (Or I'm really, really under-informed...)



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03 Aug 2010, 11:01 pm

I think its more of a genetic break down comment to make.

I seemed to get it from my fathers side as he is an aspie and mum isn't, but I think what these people mean is that women are carriers and if they give the wrong X chromosone to their son he will be autistic.

For a girl to get two recessive X chromosones it requires both parents. Those of you saying you got it from your fathers side because your mother doesnt have it - your mother is a carrier of it.



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03 Aug 2010, 11:04 pm

:roll: at whoever seriously said that in the first place... and honestly anyone who takes that seriously. Its complete and utter BS. People complain for the sake of complaining, and will look for any idiotic "reason" for things ([dramaon] Oh no! I can't get a date! Well its the damn females fault for making me get AS in the first place! Woe is me!! !! ! [/drama off])

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Yeah, its on the X chromosone.

But ffs, you could always blame it on the men for their "lack of two X chromosones"

Aspie man passes on his recessive X chromosone. A woman is a carrier. If the man had been normal there would be no chance.

Its a stupid outlook and it's no-ones fault.

I got my aspergers genes from my fathers side, and mothers. He has one recessive X chromosone which was passed onto me accompanied by another from my mother (carrier).

Thats how I see it anyway.

Yes, the males get it from the mother if this theory is correct it makes no difference whether the father has it or not - But girl aspies get it from both. I think blaming people for genes is pointless and selfish.


I'm sorry... but gonna have to ask for a source on this one. I've tried doing a research paper on Aspergers and Genetics, and found very little concrete evidence (while there is familial evidence, they have not pinpointed it to specific genes yet)

Its a spectrum "disease" (can't think of a proper word for this right now), which means its not caused by a single gene. Similar to pigmentation, theres no "black,, asian, white" genes, theres a multitude of different melonin genes that work together to come out with the individual pigments people get (eye color too. Its often used as a simplified form of genetics to explain how genetics work, but is actually vastly more complicated. Hazel eyes for example are a mix of various pigments, and not as simple as dominant/recessive)

In my opinion, aspergers is just part of the autism spectrum and a mix of many many genes put together mixing up for the right combination.... its not from fathers or mothers side specifically but has different genes mixed up in there. ADD (imo) is included in there as well... some specific traits of it works together for AS, and some works together to form ADD (because really, in my belief, its a simple label of certain characteristics, and not as cut and dry as "oh look, you have this genetic anomaly so you have aspergers!" as down syndrome is easily checked by looking at chromosomes, aspergers (and even ADD/ADHD) is diagnosed by determining behaviour in a multitude of different areas and looking at the overall picture)

Seriously... I would love to see some articles on genetics for this... because there are more than just the X and Y chromosomes, and assuming its on the X (because clearly women get it too, so not just on Y) and not a different set... suggests there may be some scientific evidence pointing that way?

Anyways... until I have any scientifically proven data, I'm just going to believe that its a cumulative effect... the right combination of a huge variance of genes makes you have it (or not... because really, to me its just a label to describe your tendencies and similar behaviors... its not a 'this will always happen' or 'everyone with this does this' or 'people without it never do this' thing...)


----- my family... my dad's side I have a fully autistic cousin, and another cousin who's.... got to have AS, he doesn't do well at all (while I'm the one the family has had doctors talk about with AS, I'm functioning a lot more than my cousin... he's struggling to do just about everything because of it (or maybe some other problems, I don't know...))

Then my mom's side of the family... has my grandpa who's definitely has it, then some other cousins who show traits, and great uncles who show a ton of traits

My mom doesn't show many, but has ADD really bad... and my brother has a lot of traits (but the opposite ones that I do-- where I'm honest and can't communicate with others well, he knows just how to manipulate anyone into doing whatever so he can get his way... he's one of the most charismatic people I've ever met... but his obsessions O____O omggggg.... when you're on an 8 hour car trip and hear about turbos all 8 hours, then all 8 hours back, and all 4 days on that vacation, then every single day while home too... makes you wanna shoot him. He's always been an extremely obsessive person... excessively obsessive XD "turbos" has been his latest obsession... he's been talking about nonstop for last 4 or so years (he used to be obsessed w/ a stuffed animal ladybug when he was a kid and would walk aroudn with it and speak in a highpitched ladybug voice... for two years straight XD my parents were driven insane)), and we both have ADD as well...

But its all a huge variance of traits, and even people who are "NT" in our family, still show some serious AS traits, but none the rest (or not enough to qualify as full AS?)...



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04 Aug 2010, 1:40 am

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that AS still exists because they keep passing the genes on." I'm tired of hearing some variation of this on WP. It's usually from some AS male who's angry that he can't get a date. Listen, I'm an AS woman and I can't get one either, so quit your bitchin'. Also, who are these guys to say that we have no right to have a family just because of being born on the spectrum? I've always dreamed of getting married and having kids since I was 5 years old and if I want to, I will. It's mighty selfish to expect me to get my tubes tied just because of the AS genes. I don't like that the blame for AS is being placed on us. AS men can and have started families too. So what do you guys think of these kinds of statement? *steps of soapbox*


His comment really got under your skin, didn't it?

Guys like this do not represent the opinions of the majority of the males on this forum (at least I hope not).



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04 Aug 2010, 6:09 am

Honestly I think most incidences of people saying that are meant as a joke.

Specifically, I went looking for that statement in recent threads and the only times I've seen it so far is as a sarcastic reply to someone saying that AS males can't get a date/get married/have kids as if AS women don't have such trouble.



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04 Aug 2010, 7:21 am

Ambrose_Rotten wrote:
His comment really got under your skin, didn't it?

Guys like this do not represent the opinions of the majority of the males on this forum (at least I hope not).


Yes it did! I know that I'm a bit sensitive but the lil' feminist with me raged at these types of comments. What made me even more upset is that they stated it like it was a fact. It would have been completely different if they added "In my honest opinion" in there because then there is room for the speaker to be mistaken. I understand that not all guys think this way but the ignorant are a lot louder than the informed. Like in this proverb I heard, "The wise one knows much but speaks little. The fool speaks much but knows little."

@Apple_in_my_Eye - Yeah, she was full of s**t. My mother was pissed but not as angry as my speech and composition teacher, who ripped out my portfolio and showed the quack that I can write. This teacher was the one that got me on the newspaper, yearbook and let me work on the newspaper as my senior project. She was my favorite high school teacher. ^_^



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04 Aug 2010, 9:29 am

Of course it's all the fault of the women that autistic genes are passed on.

The men will be happy if the women prevent that ever happening again - by refusing to accept dates or have sex!


LOL Jokes people :lol: :lol: :lol:

I agree with Erisad that that's just rubbish.
So I try not to buy into chauvinistic/blaming statements, and try to avoid people that make them. Instead I work on getting out there and making life better for myself.



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04 Aug 2010, 9:38 am

activebutodd wrote:
Of course it's all the fault of the women that autistic genes are passed on.

The men will be happy if the women prevent that ever happening again - by refusing to accept dates or have sex!


LOL Jokes people :lol: :lol: :lol:

I agree with Erisad that that's just rubbish.
So I try not to buy into chauvinistic/blaming statements, and try to avoid people that make them. Instead I work on getting out there and making life better for myself.


LOL, then they'd b***h even more. "Those damn Aspie women won't have sex with me! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! At least you'll always love me, Madam Righty of the Handerson clan." *insert innuendo here*



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04 Aug 2010, 11:50 am

Still I believe that in 99% of heriditary cases of AS, its inherited from the mother only. There are extremely few men with AS who have kids. Accept it.



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04 Aug 2010, 2:15 pm

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Still I believe that in 99% of heriditary cases of AS, its inherited from the mother only. There are extremely few men with AS who have kids. Accept it.


this actually made me laugh out loud! you are presenting an opinion, then closing your statements with the imperative to 'Accept it'.... as though it were somehow based in fact. how silly!



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04 Aug 2010, 3:04 pm

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Madam Righty of the Handerson clan." *insert innuendo here*


I've always prefered 'Rosie Palms and her five daughters'.



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04 Aug 2010, 4:19 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
Lonermutant wrote:
Still I believe that in 99% of heriditary cases of AS, its inherited from the mother only. There are extremely few men with AS who have kids. Accept it.


this actually made me laugh out loud! you are presenting an opinion, then closing your statements with the imperative to 'Accept it'.... as though it were somehow based in fact. how silly!


It is a fact.



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04 Aug 2010, 5:16 pm

I got it from my Dads side as well, and my 15 year old son is as NT as the day is long.

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04 Aug 2010, 5:18 pm

Lonermutant wrote:
Still I believe that in 99% of heriditary cases of AS, its inherited from the mother only. There are extremely few men with AS who have kids. Accept it.

"Broader autism phenotype", heard of it?



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04 Aug 2010, 5:56 pm

Tsiiki wrote:
so not just on Y


It won't be anything to do with the Y chromosone in any way, shape or form if it is genetic linked.



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04 Aug 2010, 7:15 pm

hale_bopp wrote:
Tsiiki wrote:
so not just on Y


It won't be anything to do with the Y chromosone in any way, shape or form if it is genetic linked.


I never said it was on the Y, I'm saying its preposterous to assume that because it clearly ISN'T on the Y, it must be on the X. There are 22 other chromosomes out there that it can be on.