Mini skirts, feminism and equality
MXH
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No, the fashion industry offers what's in demand.
The fashion industry, like the auto industry, lives by creating demand and by convincing us that what we have is "outdated". But you don't generate headlines by designing comfortable, modest, everyday things to wear. You generate headlines by being outrageous. It should be called the "outrageous industry."
Actually no, they both live by trying to be as close to the new trends as possible and also try and predict upcoming trends. While it does tke someone going away from the old trend to create a new one you can't force onto people what they want. Otherwise there would never have been a bad selling car.
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No, the fashion industry offers what's in demand.
The fashion industry, like the auto industry, lives by creating demand and by convincing us that what we have is "outdated". But you don't generate headlines by designing comfortable, modest, everyday things to wear. You generate headlines by being outrageous. It should be called the "outrageous industry."
Actually no, they both live by trying to be as close to the new trends as possible and also try and predict upcoming trends. While it does tke someone going away from the old trend to create a new one you can't force onto people what they want. Otherwise there would never have been a bad selling car.
Why do you think the advertising industry exists? To convince us that what we have is no longer "fashionable". They don't always succeed ... as you point out, not everything is a best-seller. But without this, there would not be the so-called "demand" for new things every year that aren't better, they're just different.
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In a society that makes excuses for bad behavior from men (not you, necessarily, but such men do exist) it is not surprising that there are women who accept that men as a category are really like that.
Also, generally speaking, taking a defensive posture around men is often a self-defense strategy, and typically a strategy based not simply on assumptions but also on prior negative experiences.
As far as the fashion industry goes, it doesn't surprise me that MXH and The_Face_of_Boo don't seem to have a proper idea of how it works. However, it really does not operate by identifying what women really want to wear and selling it. It operates by pushing fashions, advertising those fashions, selling those fashions, and getting people to want to wear those fashions. Fashion magazines are a big part of this process, as they provide exposure.
And advertising really is about convincing people they want or need something that they may not want or need.
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There are people who identify as men who wear dresses and skirts, and I'm including people who are biologically men in that statement.
It is a concept of respect. You would not, should not, reach out and touch somebody without their permission, regardless of what they are wearing. Nobody should be objectified, either. It is dehumanizing by definition.
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Yes, it does, since why some advertising about certain fashion don't work, what works are the things in demand and desired.
It is a concept of respect. You would not, should not, reach out and touch somebody without their permission, regardless of what they are wearing. Nobody should be objectified, either. It is dehumanizing by definition.
I'm a 100% manly man who is pleased to be a father & a husband. I wear skirts & dresses for their comfort factor on the mature male anatomy. Wearing a pleated miniskirt has its limitations such as windy days or climbing steps. I choose my garments based upon my planned activities & the weather. An flannel lined ankle length skirt in a blizzard makes more sense than a micro miniskirt. javascript:emoticon(':)')
I've been following some feminist threads on twitter because I like being treated with respect and I am all for building female self-esteem. I've noticed that a common trend is that women want to dress sexily, but without receiving unwanted male attention. It's ok if a guy they fancy gives them attention, as long as he's not groping them without permission, but you, yes you, weirdo on the train, don't look at me or I'll gouge your eyes out! Fair enough, no one wants some random guy stroking their leg on the train to work, but why advertise what you don't want to give away? Why not cover up the bits that men want to look at and touch? Wouldn't that signal that you don't want them to look at or touch those out-of-bounds areas?
I will be the first to admit that I don't have the legs for a mini skirt. But I don't understand them from a pratical point of view. If I bend over I want to be safe in the knowledge that no one will see my underpants. My shortest skirts are knee length for that reason. But women are complaining that they should be able to wear short skirts as a matter of gender equality. Is it equality? Men don't feel the need to show their thighs off on a night out. I don't see any men in the city centre on a Saturday night in short shorts or mini sarongs. So is it really equality or have modern women been groomed by the fashion industry into dressing the way men want them to under the clever guise of gender equality?
Do I misunderstand because I am a practical dresser rather than a fashionista?
Oh, sweetie.
You obviously don't hang out at the gay scene, do you?
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