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17 Dec 2008, 10:53 pm

If you use the nuva ring and don't skip the week as they recommend, you don't get a period. I'm sorry you have so much pain and discomfort, hope you find a solution that works for you.



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18 Dec 2008, 1:32 pm

A complete hysterectomy is not the only surgical option. I think that tubal ligation is, in fact, performed more commonly because it is a simpler and therefore safer procedure. And there are other surgical options too.

Please discuss these issues with a gynecologist. If you want reliable information on this topic, a doctor or nurse is the only good source.

Also, based on personal experience and accounts of several doctors and nurses, I would like to caution you against using Depo-Provera - a birth control injection, given 3 or 4 times per year, that eradicates periods in most women. It also produces some awful side-effects in many women, and once you get it, you're stuck with those side-effects for 3 or 4 months.

I'm sure you can also find plenty of basic information from sources of variable reliability if you Google any of these topics. That way you could begin to inform yourself before you get to see a doctor or nurse, allowing you to come semi-informed, with questions, and get more out of the appointment.



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18 Dec 2008, 1:35 pm

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If they have no PMS, then how will us men ever find out what women really think of us?


Solution: Aspie woman who does not experience PMS (not all women get it).



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18 Dec 2008, 2:01 pm

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Unless anyone has ever had crippling pain from being of their period stop your bitching.

Ding. I can't leave the house. I think the people talking about how wonderful it is to be a woman need to shut the f**k up and imagine what it must be like to be curled up in fetal position with a half empty bottle of percocet and that still hasn't made it any better.

That with the other side effects. I tend to throw up a lot.


I've HAD crippling pain. I used to take two days off work every single month because my erratic periods were so painful I couldn't move or breathe or think. I've been there - I know what it's like.

Then I cleared my diet up, sorted out my lifestyle, went to a naturopath and found out what I was allergic to, cut those foods out, supplemented what my body was lacking (as was pointed out by another poster, if you're supplementing something that you've got enough of it won't do anything, obviously) and voila. I don't get any pain at all anymore, my periods are regular as clockwork, extremely easy to manage, and I no longer have to take any time off work.

If you're getting pain that bad, adding more synthetic chemicals to your body is not going to do anything (that's not to say avoid painkillers and roll on the floor in agony, that'd be silly). You need to get to the root of the problem - find yourself a FEMALE naturopath or registered herbalist [or Chinese Traditional practitioner, or osteopath, or chiropracter, or Ayurvedic doctor...] and ask them to help you get to the root of the problem.

The body is NOT meant to cause you that much pain. It's a big sign that something is very out of whack and needs correcting. It could be an allergy - wheat and dairy can be biggies, as usual - it could be a deficiency, it will likely involve hormonal imbalance, and it's not generally a good sign. Get help getting to the cause and you'll have yourself the solution. Don't stop looking just because the generic low-dose supplement you picked up at the health food store doesn't work - find someone else and find out what YOU need.

And make sure whoever you see is female!! Men do NOT tend to understand the problems and intricacies of our bodies at all.



Violet Yoshi - it might interest you that iatrogenic death, i.e. death by medicine, is the 2nd leading cause of death in the USA and one of the biggest killers in the western world. Nearly 800,000 deaths were caused by medicine - wrong drugs, drug adverse reactions, and medical 'misadventure' - in 2003 alone. Heard of the 50,000 people who were killed by Vioxx, which gave them sudden cardiac arrests, and their families are now sueing Merck Co., the manufacturer, because they knew it had this effect but still put it on the market and used aggresive advertising to sell it?

Think I'll stick with my medicinal herbs, homoeopathics, and other CAM remedies, thanks. Taken properly and safely they actually work and they won't kill you.

It's hardly fringe, by the way. Check out the Oxford ECAM [Evidence-based complementary and alternative medicine] journal here - http://ecam.oxfordjournals.org/


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18 Dec 2008, 6:08 pm

chamoisee wrote:
If you use the nuva ring and don't skip the week as they recommend, you don't get a period. I'm sorry you have so much pain and discomfort, hope you find a solution that works for you.


Does the nuva ring cause sickness? I tried Yasmin to regulate my cycles and I was sick from it.. I had to get off of it right away. I am paranoid of that happening to me. My cycles are a mess, I have PCOS and endometriosis. That explains it why I am such a mess, ugh.


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18 Dec 2008, 6:17 pm

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http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1703763_1703764_1703942,00.html


50,000 deaths from Vioxx... 700,000 from pharmaceutical drugs every year... think I know what I prefer. :roll:

They say that these herbal remedies don't work. They leave out that there are literally millions of different medicinal herbs in the world, and that 85% of their precious pharma drugs are simply analogues OF those very same herbs. To say they don't work is absolutely ludicrous - some work better than others, they're all used for different things, and they're all chemicals the same as anything else! What an utterly stupid, misinformed piece of tripe. No wonder I gave up on that magazine.

Don't go taking herbal remedies - bar your more simple ones like echinacea, goldenseal, st john's wort [unless on the pill; it'll stop it working] etc - unless you've been to a registered qualified herbalist. Like with any medicine, you need to tell them if you're taking anything else because there are interactions, but if you go to someone qualified they'll have been trained in what herbs interact with what drugs, or with each other, and vice versa. How do I know? I'm a naturopathy student myself!

Just because it's a herb doesn't mean you should be blase about it - hey, deadly nightshade is a herb but you wouldn't go taking that, would you? Treat it with respect and like the potent medicine it is and you'll likely get far better results than anything pharma can come up with. Hence why the very vast majority are those same herbs isolated and concentrated anyway.


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18 Dec 2008, 6:37 pm

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chamoisee wrote:
If you use the nuva ring and don't skip the week as they recommend, you don't get a period. I'm sorry you have so much pain and discomfort, hope you find a solution that works for you.


Does the nuva ring cause sickness? I tried Yasmin to regulate my cycles and I was sick from it.. I had to get off of it right away. I am paranoid of that happening to me. My cycles are a mess, I have PCOS and endometriosis. That explains it why I am such a mess, ugh.


Yasmin made me suicidal. Nuva Ring- I noticed no side effects except for a slight increase in weight gain, and no periods since I didn't go for a week without it.



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18 Dec 2008, 9:35 pm

LeKiwi wrote:
violet_yoshi wrote:
http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1703763_1703764_1703942,00.html


50,000 deaths from Vioxx... 700,000 from pharmaceutical drugs every year... think I know what I prefer. :roll:

They say that these herbal remedies don't work. They leave out that there are literally millions of different medicinal herbs in the world, and that 85% of their precious pharma drugs are simply analogues OF those very same herbs. To say they don't work is absolutely ludicrous - some work better than others, they're all used for different things, and they're all chemicals the same as anything else! What an utterly stupid, misinformed piece of tripe. No wonder I gave up on that magazine.

Don't go taking herbal remedies - bar your more simple ones like echinacea, goldenseal, st john's wort [unless on the pill; it'll stop it working] etc - unless you've been to a registered qualified herbalist. Like with any medicine, you need to tell them if you're taking anything else because there are interactions, but if you go to someone qualified they'll have been trained in what herbs interact with what drugs, or with each other, and vice versa. How do I know? I'm a naturopathy student myself!

Just because it's a herb doesn't mean you should be blase about it - hey, deadly nightshade is a herb but you wouldn't go taking that, would you? Treat it with respect and like the potent medicine it is and you'll likely get far better results than anything pharma can come up with. Hence why the very vast majority are those same herbs isolated and concentrated anyway.


http://junkfoodscience.blogspot.com/200 ... rable.html


"Understanding the science makes the story of that little girl in Australia even more heartbreaking. It and others like that don't have to happen if we can help people recognize and trust good science and real evidence-based medicine."

"This sad story from Australia also illustrates that ineffective to potentially dangerous products are widely available. Just because a product is popular and a company says its claims are based on science don’t make it so."



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18 Dec 2008, 9:45 pm

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Just because it's a herb doesn't mean you should be blase about it - hey, deadly nightshade is a herb but you wouldn't go taking that, would you? Treat it with respect and like the potent medicine it is and you'll likely get far better results than anything pharma can come up with. Hence why the very vast majority are those same herbs isolated and concentrated anyway.


Thats very true. I have heard that many women experiencing menopause take an herb called Black Cohosh to help ease hot flashes.. and studies have shown that it many times can cause autoimmune hepatitis. Pretty scary disease.


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18 Dec 2008, 10:43 pm

I dont think monthly periods were how our bodies were meant to be at all. In the stone age women were said to have only about 50 periods. We in the west have about 500. Also, menopause would not have been reached then, because few women lived that long normally, so menopause is not something that was evolutionarily designed. The female body is living in a time it wasnt designed for.


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19 Dec 2008, 3:48 am

violet_yoshi wrote:
LeKiwi wrote:
violet_yoshi wrote:
http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1703763_1703764_1703942,00.html


50,000 deaths from Vioxx... 700,000 from pharmaceutical drugs every year... think I know what I prefer. :roll:

They say that these herbal remedies don't work. They leave out that there are literally millions of different medicinal herbs in the world, and that 85% of their precious pharma drugs are simply analogues OF those very same herbs. To say they don't work is absolutely ludicrous - some work better than others, they're all used for different things, and they're all chemicals the same as anything else! What an utterly stupid, misinformed piece of tripe. No wonder I gave up on that magazine.

Don't go taking herbal remedies - bar your more simple ones like echinacea, goldenseal, st john's wort [unless on the pill; it'll stop it working] etc - unless you've been to a registered qualified herbalist. Like with any medicine, you need to tell them if you're taking anything else because there are interactions, but if you go to someone qualified they'll have been trained in what herbs interact with what drugs, or with each other, and vice versa. How do I know? I'm a naturopathy student myself!

Just because it's a herb doesn't mean you should be blase about it - hey, deadly nightshade is a herb but you wouldn't go taking that, would you? Treat it with respect and like the potent medicine it is and you'll likely get far better results than anything pharma can come up with. Hence why the very vast majority are those same herbs isolated and concentrated anyway.


http://junkfoodscience.blogspot.com/200 ... rable.html


"Understanding the science makes the story of that little girl in Australia even more heartbreaking. It and others like that don't have to happen if we can help people recognize and trust good science and real evidence-based medicine."

"This sad story from Australia also illustrates that ineffective to potentially dangerous products are widely available. Just because a product is popular and a company says its claims are based on science don’t make it so."


Once again -

http://ecam.oxfordjournals.org - the OXFORD JOURNAL OF EVIDENCE-BASED COMPLEMENTARY AND ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE.

Herbal medicine MUST be evidence-based these days, and you cannot practice WITHOUT being both registered and qualified. Formal training will usually be a minimum of three years full-time study, and the majority come under Bachelor of Health Sciences in Herbal Medicine, or specialised Diplomas, or specialised post-graduate study.

Stop reading your pharma-funded scare stories and come back when you have a clue what you're talking about.


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19 Dec 2008, 3:51 am

Oh, and if a child was that ill like the girl in your story, I doubt ANY responsible herbalist would tell you anything other than get her to a hospital and find out what's wrong, not 'keep giving her this product in high doses that's obviously not working, even though she's clearly extremely sick'. It's not about excluding mainstream medicine, it's about using it as a last resort for major medical emergencies/trauma, and perhaps diagnosing chronic conditions.


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19 Dec 2008, 5:10 am

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I wish there was an easy way to stop them without having to take loads of hormones or having surgery.

I hate periods. Can't stand tampons and god those pads get so gross and stinky after like an hour for me...


periods suck majorly. i get quite sore the first day and bleed heavily the 1st couple of days.
i was told to take ponstan tablets. as the first sign of the pain as they are most effective then. i tried that and they worked great, also reduced the amount of blood too.


i hopes everyone finds something that works for them.



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19 Dec 2008, 7:46 am

There's a special pill you can take. It says on the box "4 periods a year" but really, when you take it you don't have to have any at all.



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19 Dec 2008, 10:35 am

Ana54 wrote:
There's a special pill you can take. It says on the box "4 periods a year" but really, when you take it you don't have to have any at all.


What kind of pill is this?


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