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11 Sep 2012, 9:05 pm

These are generally considered the "official" variants of high-functioning ASDs, i.e., what people with AS/HFA may manifest as. Taken from Lorna Wing and someone else I forgot the name of. Note, they're not static, and it's common to change over time (often moving up, or "improving"), or behaving at one level in a certain environment or stressors, but "better" when they're taken away. What are you?

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Aloof

Most frequent subtype among the lower functioning. Most high-functioning in this group are a mixture of aloof and passive. Limited language use. Copes with life using autistic routines. Most are recognised in childhood. Independence is difficult to achieve. There may be loneliness and sadness beneath the aloofness. Rain Man is an excellent example of this subgroup.

Passive

Often amiable, gentle, and easily led. Those passive rather than aloof from infancy may fit AS. More likely than the aloof to have had a mainstream education, and their psych skill profiles are less uneven. Social approaches passively accepted (little response or show of feelings). Characteristic autistic egocentricity less obvious in this group than in others. Activities are limitied and repetitive, but less so than other autistics. Can react with unexpected anger or distress. Recognition of their autism depends more on observing the absence of the social and creative aspects of normal development than the presence of positive abnormalities. The general amenability is an advantage in work, and they are reliable, but sometimes their passivity and naivete can cause great problems. If undiagnosed, parents and teachers may be disappointed they cannot keep a job at the level predicted from their schoolwork.

Active-but-odd

Can fall in any of the other groups in early childhood. Some show early developmental course of Kanner's, some show AS. Some have the characteristic picture of higher visuospatial abilities, others have better verbal scores (mainly due to wide vocabulary and memory for facts). May be specific learning disorders (e.g., numerical). School placement often difficult. They show social naivete, odd, persistent approaches to others, and are uncooperative in uninteresting tasks. Diagnosis often missed. Tend to look at people too long and hard. Circumscribed interests in subjects are common.

Stilted

Few, if any clues to the underlying subtle handicap upon first meeting. The features of AS are particularly frequent. Early histories vary. Normal range of ability with some peaks of performance. Polite and conventional. Manage well at work. Sometimes pompous and long-winded style of speech. Problems arise in family relationships, where spontaneity and empathy are required. Poor judgement as to the relative importance of different demands on their time. Characteristically pursue interests to the exclusion of everything and everyone else. May have temper tantrums or aggression if routine broken at home, but are polite at work. Diagnosis very often missed. Most attend mainstream schools. Independence achieved in most cases. This group shades into the eccentric end of normality.


Me, I was aloof as an infant moving on to passive throughout all of school school, but I always went back to aloof when stressful life events were thrown at me. At home with family I was a mixture of passive and the active and odd make.

(No need to be diagnosed to answer, of course.)



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11 Sep 2012, 9:18 pm

Aloof. On odd occasions, perhaps I would fit into passive, although those situations would be very infrequent.


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11 Sep 2012, 9:32 pm

I would say I was passive as a child, I have elements of passive and active but odd now I think.


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11 Sep 2012, 9:37 pm

Aloof as a child, passive and active but odd as an adult. The stilted group sounds like a description of many of the nerds/geeks/dorks I have encountered eberrywhere in life.



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11 Sep 2012, 9:49 pm

I'd have to say I best fit "stilted," although I clearly don't "shade into the eccentric end of normality." So, because of that, I'd say I'm stilted with some more severe "active-but-odd" deficits (mainly learning disability/uneven skills)? But the first sentence of stilted fits me perfectly. At first glance, I just seem quirky, but that's because I can hide my AS fairly well on the surface and use a "social face" in non-stressful situations. But my "social face" is something I had to learn over the years. I definitely was more overtly "active-but-odd" as a child. If I were to make my own summary of "stilted, active-but-odd", and just use the parts of each that specifically describe me, it would be the following:

Few, if any clues to the underlying subtle handicap upon first meeting. The features of AS are particularly frequent. Has better verbal scores (mainly due to wide vocabulary and memory for facts). May be specific learning disorders (e.g., numerical). Diagnosis often missed. Circumscribed interests in subjects are common. Characteristically pursue interests to the exclusion of everything and everyone else. May have temper tantrums or aggression if routine broken at home, but are usually able to be polite at work. Sometimes pompous and long-winded style of speech. Problems arise in family relationships, where spontaneity and empathy are required.

Maybe my own category of "stilted, active-but-odd" is better described as those of us who have both AS and NVLD?


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11 Sep 2012, 9:52 pm

Without question I'm passive - passive from birth even. I'm not easily led, but the passive description is very much me. Other passive descriptions are also very much me. I've been threatening to go into a passive/aloof mixture for a while though. But really, I'm passive.

My boyfriend is undiagnosed but probably diagnosable (he refuses to self-diagnose) and is in the stilted category.



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11 Sep 2012, 10:33 pm

Passive, but with traits appropriate to each of the other three in different contexts.



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12 Sep 2012, 1:24 am

Aloof. Always been and throughout my life it has improved in the sense that i become more aloof year after year.

There is, however, no loneliness or sadness beneath the surface, i'm pretty sure i would live as a loner without ASD as well, so it's not that ASD has caused me to be a loner, but both aspects go well together and form a perfect supplement.

I live independently since i was 17.



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12 Sep 2012, 1:53 am

I'm between the "stilted" subtype and "active but odd". An ex-friend of mine from high school even used to call me stilted. However, I did not have a difficult family life. There were fights of course, but not more than usual. Some of them were my fault, like when I pulled the automatic transmission out of my car to try and rebuild it when I was 16. I got ATF everywhere and ruined the garage floor of my parent's new house. My dad was understandably upset. I was misunderstood though as my parents did not accept my account of how difficult social situations were for me. They also did not get why I had an intense interest in cars to the exclusion of all else, why I always wore the same cheap, unfashionable, comfortable clothes, why I had no interest in team sports, why I had almost no friends and why I was unable to have a girlfriend. I still get hassled about the lack of a woman but there is nothing I can do about it if every woman I meet and like does not like me back. I also still hear it about my cars and parts collections but they are all I have in life so I don't dare get rid of all of them.


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12 Sep 2012, 1:58 am

As a little child I was mostly Aloof and Passive, then during school until I was maybe 12 or 14 Passive and Active-but-odd (I also had dyslexia) and now Active-but-odd and Stilted.

As a child I acted clealy autistic, visible for everyone. Now it is easy to miss and you just see mostly in combination with my childhood and if you specifically ask for it. So most psychiatrists who are not trained in developmental disorders would have missed it and this can also lead to problems with them, when they have a "clichée thinking" about ASD (in my area ASD is still a rare diagnosis).


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12 Sep 2012, 2:04 am

Passive with a tiny hint of Active but Odd


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12 Sep 2012, 2:08 am

Stilted, the difference between home and work is what stuck out the most to me. Or a mixture of all of them.


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12 Sep 2012, 2:32 am

Yowza. So many childhood boxes and labels that we have to shed in adulthood.

I've always been an oddball. In college others labeled me a "head case." Those so-and-so jerks! Of course they said that behind my back. As if they weren't that much different from me. But I digress.

Since I learned English by watching tv and old Hollywood movies and reading Dickens and the Encyclopaedia Brittannica, as an adult I had to learn to speak and write in vernacular English -- and I'm still learning! And I must admit I am so grateful for all the English and Journalism classes I took in college (and finding the joy in constant editing/rewriting and Strunk/White's "The Elements of Style").

Passivity is okay but at times, and when one has money, playing is more enjoyable.

And honestly if I don't want to speak with anybody or join in social activities, even when I'm on group rides, why should that bother anybody else? Sheesh. And yes, I realize being unsociable when with others is simply not acceptable. But I don't mind and I'm certainly not being unfriendly.



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12 Sep 2012, 2:41 am

I appear to be the 'passive' type. There are a couple of traits in the 'stilted' category that fit me to a tee, but the whole 'going undiagnosed in childhood and attending mainstream schooling' thing is what rules that one out for me.

Even though this was written by an authority on autism, I'm disappointed that this list of four types seems... I dunno, incomplete somehow? Before I got to the 'stilted' category (and read that one over a couple of time), I felt as though the four don't seem mutually exclusive. So I was thinking: "Hmmm, yeah I'm 'passive'... but I'm also 'stilted', with a hint of 'aloof'". The third category was just a little bit vague for me.


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12 Sep 2012, 3:06 am

If I had to pick one for DS it's probably active but odd. Unless you were actively looking for it, or knew a lot about it, he would fall through the cracks.


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12 Sep 2012, 3:28 am

Fits nowhere in the categories, do not need to fit, just an oddball


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