Social disability without Asperger's?

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EarthCalling
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30 Mar 2007, 11:39 pm

I was wondering, do you think it is possible to have a "social disability" without having Asperger's?

I was DX'ed as a kid with a "social disability" this was back in the 80's prior to Asperger's even existing!

It was suggested to me that my son may have one several years ago. Overall though, do you think it is possible to have a "social disability" without having Asperger's?

Likewise, is it possible to have Asperger's without having a "Social Disability?



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31 Mar 2007, 12:38 am

well, there is Social Anxiety, which I have. There are also speech disorders but they're probably not a social disability



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31 Mar 2007, 12:49 am

By "disability" I don't mean speech, or anxiety, or agrophobia, or any other condition like that. I mean more or less, an inability to sustain friendships in most circumstances with NT's. The types of problems ASDs are prone too.



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31 Mar 2007, 12:59 am

Yeah, there are quite a few other diagnoses which can involve low social skills.

Nonverbal Learning Disorder (deficiency in learning nonverbal communication and skills which don't involve words)
Various Personality Disorders (these can make a person less appealing to others)
Simple Learning Disorder in Social Skills (specific diagnosis for a learning disorder which involves only social skills)
ADHD (bad attention span equals bad at paying attention to others--ADHD often results in annoying or socially naive actions)
Developmental Delay (results in low skills across the board)

Any disability or difference which separates a person from the "normal" world to a great degree can result in low social skills simply because of a lack of practice.


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31 Mar 2007, 1:06 am

Interesting...

thank you;

Is poor social skills the Hallmark of ASD though?
Being, if you have low social skills, and the other "criteria" then you have it, but without a social skills deficiet, it is unlikely you have any ASD?



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31 Mar 2007, 1:11 am

EarthCalling wrote:
Interesting...

thank you;

Is poor social skills the Hallmark of ASD though?
Being, if you have low social skills, and the other "criteria" then you have it, but without a social skills deficiet, it is unlikely you have any ASD?
you can have pretty decent social skills and still have AS. for example, people with AS have trouble keeping friends like staying in contact with them. it doesn't necessarily mean that they're bad at communicating



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31 Mar 2007, 8:37 am

The hallmark of ASD is that you somehow seem selfish or demanding(for a selifsh reason). That is where it gets the name aut-ism. That ITSELF is misleading though, because it is usually only an APPEARANCE and frankly I don't think I could have ever appeared too demanding. If anything, I am not demanding enough.

But NO, *****LOTS***** of things can cause social disabilities, and most AREN'T aspergers.

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31 Mar 2007, 8:58 am

nah dyspraxia can, angelmans does, down syndrome. the list goes on and on


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31 Mar 2007, 10:25 am

EarthCalling wrote:
Is poor social skills the Hallmark of ASD though?
Being, if you have low social skills, and the other "criteria" then you have it, but without a social skills deficiet, it is unlikely you have any ASD?

Generally yes, but one can learn social skills and still be lacking in the instinctive understanding of social interactions. Plus superficial social skills do not mean there isn't a problem. It's more communication that is a problem, IMHO, rather than specifically skills.



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31 Mar 2007, 10:31 am

I had "pschychosocial disability" diagnosed as a teen, then schizoid, which is social desinterest

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F60.1 Schizoid Personality Disorder
Personality disorder characterized by at least 3 of the following:

(a) few, if any, activities, provide pleasure;
(b) emotional coldness, detachment or flattened affectivity;
(c) limited capacity to express either warm, tender feelings or anger towards others;
(d) apparent indifference to either praise or criticism;
(e) little interest in having sexual experiences with another person (taking into account age);
(f) almost invariable preference for solitary activities;
(g) excessive preoccupation with fantasy and introspection;
(h) lack of close friends or confiding relationships (or having only one) and of desire for such relationships;
(i) marked insensitivity to prevailing social norms and conventions.



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31 Mar 2007, 10:44 am

Doesn't schziod suggest an element of fantasy life?

Down's Syndrome people seem to be socially normal.

NLD is quite like PDD-NOS.

ADD or ADHD would be my guess as to what that diagnosis meant. I think ADD is a branch of the spectrum.

In my experience with AS, you always feel on the outside. I was electively mute in kindergarten.


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31 Mar 2007, 10:51 am

I have known at least one very outgoing and socially in-your-face Aspie.
He drove me nuts with invading my personal space..I was always having to tell him to pelase back off....The general NT folks around just thought he was very very friendly..and the only way I knew he had Aspergers is because he would frequently bring it up in conversation.



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31 Mar 2007, 11:09 am

poopylungstuffing wrote:
I have known at least one very outgoing and socially in-your-face Aspie.
He drove me nuts with invading my personal space..I was always having to tell him to pelase back off....The general NT folks around just thought he was very very friendly..and the only way I knew he had Aspergers is because he would frequently bring it up in conversation.

That would be a perfect example of problems with social skills, no?



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31 Mar 2007, 1:56 pm

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Doesn't schziod suggest an element of fantasy life?

Down's Syndrome people seem to be socially normal.

NLD is quite like PDD-NOS.

ADD or ADHD would be my guess as to what that diagnosis meant. I think ADD is a branch of the spectrum.

In my experience with AS, you always feel on the outside. I was electively mute in kindergarten.


Thank you, I think this sent me up the right tree. I found a great article by a PhD on Asperger's Vs. NVLD (NLD)

Basically, they said that there is some contesting if there is a difference, but as far as diagnosing goes, NVLD presents without the specific interests or special abilities that Asperger's / Autistic children possess.

http://www.nldline.com/bonny_forrest_asvsnld.htm



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31 Mar 2007, 2:17 pm

EarthCalling wrote:
Basically, they said that there is some contesting if there is a difference, but as far as diagnosing goes, NVLD presents without the specific interests or special abilities that Asperger's / Autistic children possess.

http://www.nldline.com/bonny_forrest_asvsnld.htm


I think people with NVLD (or PDD-NOS, since NVLD is not a DSM-IV diagnosis) are more socially aware. They make any attempt to think about what others are thinking about them. The person with AS doesn't start thinking about that until much later in life, if ever. It is not a natural thing to do.

If you haven't read any of Uta Frith's books, I would suggest them. She talks about "theory of mind" and mental states of others as being the core deficit of autism.

It is all a spectrum.


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31 Mar 2007, 3:58 pm

SeriousGirl wrote:
I think people with NVLD (or PDD-NOS, since NVLD is not a DSM-IV diagnosis) are more socially aware.

I agree with that for NVLD but I must say, PDD-NOS just means "atypical autism". That can mean many things - and the least of which is that a person is LESS affected. Someone can be very severely affected and more disabled than someone with AS for example, but they do not have "enough" symptoms for a diagnosis of AS. Or they are affected broadly and show mild traces of all aspects of autism, but so mildly that a diagnosis of autism isn't appropriate.