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29 Nov 2008, 3:04 pm

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Reactive victims straddle a fence of being a bully and or victim. They are often the most difficult to identify because at first glance they seem to be targets for other bullies. However, reactive victims often taunt bullies, and bully other people themselves. Most of the incidents are physical in nature. These victims are impulsive and react quickly to intentional and unintentional physical encounters. In some cases, reactive victims begin as victims and become bullies as they try to retaliate. A reactive victim will approach a person who has been bullying him/her and say something like, "You better not bug me today, otherwise I'll tell the teacher and boy, will you be in trouble, so you just better watch out."



That description fit me to a t! I don't see a problem with being a reactive victim; what goes around comes around!



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29 Nov 2008, 3:08 pm

i was bullied so bad in schools that i wouldnt even eat lunch instead i'd go to the library and just pretend to read a book until my next class. or i would walk around the halls trying to look like i was doing something, it was just awful. :lol:

if i ever have kids there not going to a public school but more than likely a charter school


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29 Nov 2008, 3:11 pm

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i was bullied so bad in schools that i wouldnt even eat lunch instead i'd go to the library and just pretend to read a book until my next class. or i would walk around the halls trying to look like i was doing something, it was just awful. :lol:

if i ever have kids there not going to a public school but more than likely a charter school


When I have kids, I will tell my children to annoy the bully into attacking them and then strike back and claim self-defense.



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29 Nov 2008, 3:14 pm

ok, to speak on your last line, while what goes around comes around, guess what. It comes around again and again. Its a never ending cycle that no teacher or principal or superintendent can stop.

I was never this person. I still got messed with on a daily basis. If I was this person, i would have gotten it worse than I did. Please dont spread this information thinking it will help someone. This will only teach our kind to be tattle talers, instead of someone who can stand up for themselves. It will breed DISRESPECT, not respect for us. No one likes anyone who feels its thier job to be the judge jury and executioner.

Right there you're promoting that someone should say, you're not gonna mess with me today. Guess what, thats antagonism, you're telling them to mess with you by doing that. And so they get saturday school, or after school detention, or oh my god, suspension. They dont care, it will make them look cooler to the rest of the immature idiots in the school. It will let everyone else know that treating you like dogshit will make them cool.



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29 Nov 2008, 3:14 pm

well more than likely your kids will be wimps and get there butts kicked so that isnt a good idea :wink:


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29 Nov 2008, 3:19 pm

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Right there you're promoting that someone should say, you're not gonna mess with me today. Guess what, thats antagonism, you're telling them to mess with you by doing that. And so they get saturday school, or after school detention, or oh my god, suspension. They dont care, it will make them look cooler to the rest of the immature idiots in the school. It will let everyone else know that treating you like dogshit will make them cool.

Passivity is weakness. Those who are too "nice" get stepped on in the real world. So what if it's antagonizing them? If they deserve it, so be it. I only respect those who deserve respect.



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29 Nov 2008, 3:22 pm

I was bullied, never a stood on the fence either, I wasn't afraid of most people including adults.
I can't really talk as it brings up bad memories I would rather forget. Not a good topic to bring up.



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29 Nov 2008, 3:23 pm

I was a reactive victim. I got bullied alot as a kid, never really had any friends or family to fall back on and help me through the hard times so i would take my pain out on other people. I remember back in 8th grade, there was this one kid in 7th, had severe speech impediment and people believed he might have been handicapped in some way (wasnt in any special classes or anything). I used to pick on em often enough, basically every time he was around, it was ironic though considering i was just as big of a nerd as he was. A couple years later in grade 10, i found out that the kid committed suicide, hung himself in his closet.

I understand that i was not the one who pushed him over the edge, but i will have to live with the guilt of being one of the people who led him to that point. One thing i will never ever forget, and never ever stop feeling bad for.



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29 Nov 2008, 3:27 pm

No, but I suspect that when I was very juvenile I had a similar motivation for why I acted how I did.



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29 Nov 2008, 3:27 pm

Oh and strangely enough, if the people who picked on me we're older then me i would stand up to them and retaliate in any way possible, without any fears whatsoever, physical pain never hurt me.

If they were my age or younger on the other hand, they wouldn't threaten me physically, but they sure did know how to get me going emotionally, and that hurts more then any punch to the face or knife in the heart.



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29 Nov 2008, 3:36 pm

Hey, WHO TOLD ANYONE TO BE PASSIVE? Theres no correlation to what you quoted me saying and "passivity". But you sure the hell dont go INSTIGATING! Guess what, you instigate it, you've GIVEN THEM THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO! You're obviously not far enough along the road to realize this yet. You dont go walking around annoying people for the fun of it, or "cause you think they deserve it".

Someone messes with you, you say hey, Im not in the mood today. Or Haha, funny, good one, in a patronizing way. and then when they continue, YOU DRY GULCH THEM. In other words, while they're still talking s**t, you hit em in the throat real quick, without any warning. That person wont mess with you anymore, cause they now know you have no boundaries, no limits. Its either that or kick them in the balls and then the face. You leave an ever lasting message of I wont hold back if you mess with me.

But you sure the hell dont lead them into a situation where they can just treat you like s**t and you say "I'll tell on you". What are you, in kindergarten? and soon enough, IN THE REAL WORLD, you dont do anything, you just deal with it cause you cant hit them when you're 18 or older. You cant stop them, only stop yourself from reacting. But at least in high school you can leave a permanent message in someones head saying "i got punked by my target, Im a loser" in their head and all their friends.



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29 Nov 2008, 3:47 pm

Emoal6 wrote:
Hey, WHO TOLD ANYONE TO BE PASSIVE? Theres no correlation to what you quoted me saying and "passivity". But you sure the hell dont go INSTIGATING! Guess what, you instigate it, you've GIVEN THEM THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO! You're obviously not far enough along the road to realize this yet. You dont go walking around annoying people for the fun of it, or "cause you think they deserve it".

Someone messes with you, you say hey, Im not in the mood today. Or Haha, funny, good one, in a patronizing way. and then when they continue, YOU DRY GULCH THEM. In other words, while they're still talking sh**, you hit em in the throat real quick, without any warning. That person wont mess with you anymore, cause they now know you have no boundaries, no limits. Its either that or kick them in the balls and then the face. You leave an ever lasting message of I wont hold back if you mess with me.

But you sure the hell dont lead them into a situation where they can just treat you like sh** and you say "I'll tell on you". What are you, in kindergarten? and soon enough, IN THE REAL WORLD, you dont do anything, you just deal with it cause you cant hit them when you're 18 or older. You cant stop them, only stop yourself from reacting. But at least in high school you can leave a permanent message in someones head saying "i got punked by my target, Im a loser" in their head and all their friends.


My bad! I was just quoting an article and it happened to describe a person as saying "I'll tell on you". What you say makes sense. What I was suggesting was for kids to instigate their tormentors into physically attacking so they have a justification to fight back in the eyes of the school and in the eyes of the law. That was my reasoning. Self-defense is seen as the only justification of physical force. Like it or not, we may have to manipulate our way around the rules. In any case my words may have been a bit foolish. It's far better, if possible, not to let it escalate.



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29 Nov 2008, 4:05 pm

Emoal6, i agree entirely with what you say. The sad shame is that a lot of people, including myself, don't realize this until its too late. If i could go back in time, there would be so much hell raised, blood splattered, and bones broken.


Oh what a wonderful world that would be...



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29 Nov 2008, 4:12 pm

It didn't describe me. I might have been better off if it had, but since my schools always spread the blame in conflicts between pupils equally, I simply avoided it.



29 Nov 2008, 5:19 pm

I bullied other bullies and teased them. I also did it to innocent kids too :oops: but never to any special ones.


When we moved to Montana, I thought I was being bullied so I was defending myself instead of realizing I was the bad guy and those kids were just innocent. They did things to get my attention and I took it all personal. I even got suspended and I don't even remember. I only remember being suspended for one day for saying "I wish I could slap the art teacher" and that took place December 1998. I never understood how that was a threat. I said "I wish." I guess people didn't know the difference between wishing to do something than actually doing something. :roll:



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29 Nov 2008, 5:34 pm

I've said this before, and I'll say it again ( because some things bear repetition) - schools are there to provide bullying to children, most especially those who do not 'fit in'. Parents and teachers know this, and have done for generations. 'Bullying' is perceived as something that will wear away the 'tricky' edges of a personality and make them more cowed, compliant and willing to obey authority. Why else has it not, is it not, and will be not, taken seriously?

There are casualties of this 'process', but society reckons that such people would never have succeeded in the world anyway.


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