autism gene "discovered"...who cares?
So have you all seen the latest medical breakthrough?
Autism gene breakthrough
Do you believe it? Do you care?
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Well, since genetic therapy is a possibility, i wouldnt rule it out. However, the article only take upp the aspect of eliminating autism, it does not take up the implications of doing that.
Fortunately, another article does:
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aspergers.html
For UCSF neurologist Kirk Wilhelmsen - who describes himself and his son as being "somewhere on that grand spectrum" - such statements cut to the heart of the most difficult issue that autism raises for society. It may be that autistic people are essentially different from "normal" people, he says, and that it is precisely those differences that make them invaluable to the ongoing evolution of the human race.
"If we could eliminate the genes for things like autism, I think it would be disastrous," says Wilhelmsen. "The healthiest state for a gene pool is maximum diversity of things that might be good."
IMO, acceptance, understanding and profession guidance of people with ASD's would be the best thing for humanity.
Unfortunately, humanity has a high idiot factor, and things like acceptance and understanding are rare.
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Unfortunately, humanity has a high idiot factor, and things like acceptance and understanding are rare.
I agree with that,
But, I also just started thinking that i noticed a lot of people with AS are taking meds that won't really help them as much as make their situations worse. And, it would be nice if Psychiatrists had something better to go from for healthier meds or at least some that do something productive for AS people who like to pop some pills. I guess it's not a total waste of research to try to figure it all out. But I'm still willing to bet when they do discover everything they want to about what genes contribute to autism, they will still be at square 1 on figuring out what to do about it. I think in the end, they will figure out the best therapy is to teach the social interactions to autistic patients. I think the hardest thing with that is that teaching requires a certain level of communication to occur, so it's like trying to teach someone to read with a self help book.
i am glad it is now supposed to be genetic.
i felt insulted at suggestions that my autism was the result of "environmental damage" like vaccinations or tap water or umbilical cords wrapping around necks causing "blue babies" (indigo??? (joke)) etc.
i "know" i was not damaged after conception.
i "know" i was autistic at conception. i do not know how i "know", but i can not imagine ever being any other way than i currently am.
i am much more comfortable knowing i was conceived as autistic than i am with thinking i was damaged by some external influence after i was conceived.
if i am genetically designed to be me, then i was successful in being born autistic. the sperm cell that fertilized my mothers egg won the race over billions of competitors, so if that union created autistic me, then i am comfortable and sure that i was "supposed" to be.
if i was conceived as an NT and became poisoned by some factor after my birth, and that made me how i am, then i would feel damaged and inferior.
i am glad it is more likely that it is in my genes to be who i am.
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I will never understand why the need for being social is the supreme goal for the health of humanity. If a few of us are not social, why is the rest of humanity afraid? Diversity is the best hope for mankind, and this includes all of us on the autism spectrum.
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i felt insulted at suggestions that my autism was the result of "environmental damage" like vaccinations or tap water or umbilical cords wrapping around necks causing "blue babies" (indigo??? (joke)) etc.
i "know" i was not damaged after conception.
i "know" i was autistic at conception. i do not know how i "know", but i can not imagine ever being any other way than i currently am.
i am much more comfortable knowing i was conceived as autistic than i am with thinking i was damaged by some external influence after i was conceived.
if i am genetically designed to be me, then i was successful in being born autistic. the sperm cell that fertilized my mothers egg won the race over billions of competitors, so if that union created autistic me, then i am comfortable and sure that i was "supposed" to be.
if i was conceived as an NT and became poisoned by some factor after my birth, and that made me how i am, then i would feel damaged and inferior.
i am glad it is more likely that it is in my genes to be who i am.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but although there are genes that are linked to autism, none of them "make" you autistic all by themselves. There are genes that can be turned on and/or off by many environmental factors, and these are the type of genes that the articles are describing.
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I am glad. Where can I get the test? How long will they with hold it from us? Once we are tested and told this is your gene, then they can't treat us like we have a "mental illlness," and just pull out of the sky how we are supposed to be acting.
I can't wait till I can go to a Dr and say I have a malfuncting YDHFG gene, not "Hey I have these phenomena and these behaviors and ...." then they stare at me lke I am insane because they are ignorance.
Bring it on. I will pay for it. Where can I get it or are they just going to tortue us with the knowledge till everyone who has been treated like crap are dead and we have no recourse and no way to say SEE you were wrong....
I find thinking along the lines 'if I'm not born like it I'm less' indescribable because it feel so weird to me. I don't get it, it confuses me and I'm tired to pretend I keep up with this 'normal' line of thinking (People in my life said to me it's normal.) for the sake of pretending to be normal.
I really don't feel that I'm ANY better about my bad eye-sight/more human than my friend who also has bad eye-sight.
I probably have the a genetic disposition, friend's got the accident sort of cause. The idea to consider my friend's disability as "inferior" to mine on basis that my friend's disability is acquired is ridiculous to me.
Being born with autism would make everyone every bit 'damaged' or 'undamaged' as those who would have acquired it.
All right, I'm autistic with this, whatever, but point is I don't understand that social I-need-others-under-me-to-feel-better. I don't feel better if I know that 99% of all people are even more stupid than me. I don't feel unworthy when 85% of all people perform better than me.
Defect is defect, difference is difference, talent is talent. It matter if it's there, it matters not how you came to have it. You don't need any special status to be self-confident, proud, positive and good.
With my ASD, I am the same as a normal person, a person with MR, a highly specialised mechanic, a person who is multiply handicapped, a rich manager, a person who acquired severe damage to their neurology due to a disease and a person who has some PD.
Does brain damage causing my AS, poisons in my environment 'switching' on my ASD genes, make me have less rights than someone who was born like it? It's all the same, I don't care, I have back bone and am good with myself.
Besides, I second that with autism, we're probably delving deep into epigentics. Which basically means that autism has an environmental factor.
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And that's why everyone else who lives near me, lives in the same house as me, is exposed to the same environmental factors as me also has autism...
...wait a minute...
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And that's why everyone else who lives near me, lives in the same house as me, is exposed to the same environmental factors as me also has autism...
...wait a minute...
You mean you have countless mono-zygotic twins who were not in a similar environment as you but exactly always ever stood/lie/ran in the same place as you?
I thought/hope that was funny because I had this image flashing up before my eyes when I read your post.
Just to tell you that no, just because your relatives (for example) always lived with you, it doesn't mean that your autism cannot be caused by genes switching on and off.
Your DNA, your prenatal development, all the other genetic information in you are different from theirs to varying degrees still and they could never have done exactly the same things as you at the exactly same time as you.
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On the one hand I'm glad because
1. We can prove it exists. This would put an end (to a certain extent) to the a**holes who say we're faking and are just lazy social outcasts.
2. We can prove that vaccines don't cause it.
But on the other hand...
1. Now that it can be tested for, it can be eliminated. Uhhhh....
If I knew I were having an autistic child, I'd keep it, but I don't know about other people. A lot of people hear "autism" and they think it's this big f*****g deal. They don't know that it's NOT as bad as your kid being in a car accident like autism speaks would have you believe.
Gee... autism speaks has really done wonders for my self-esteem, lemme tell ya.
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1. We can prove it exists. This would put an end (to a certain extent) to the a**holes who say we're faking and are just lazy social outcasts.
2. We can prove that vaccines don't cause it.
But on the other hand...
1. Now that it can be tested for, it can be eliminated. Uhhhh....
If I knew I were having an autistic child, I'd keep it, but I don't know about other people. A lot of people hear "autism" and they think it's this big f***ing deal. They don't know that it's NOT as bad as your kid being in a car accident like autism speaks would have you believe.
Gee... autism speaks has really done wonders for my self-esteem, lemme tell ya.
The only problem with that kind thinking is that AS is not the only form of autism. Parents who have children who are much higher in the spectrom may accully like a cure. And I could understand that. Most people have a problem with the idea of a "cure." I don't as long as they don't make people take it then I don't see what is wrong with it.
Oh wow, it's genetic.
That probably explains why my Gradfather was a mechanical genius but when he was stressed would sit in a chair rocking and pulling a piece of string across his face.
Why my Uncle went to University at 15 to study physics but can't go clothes shopping.
Why I did final year english when I was 12 and was bored because it was too easy but never had friends and last but not least, why my Son has hyperlexia but had to be taught to laugh.
Geez what a waste of money. I could have told them it can be genetic.
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Well, i'm an accident occured Aspie o.O started out as ADD diagnosed though. <.< Lack of oxygen to the brain when getting out, they said. The good thing for me is that apparently since mine isn't caused by my genetics, i could reproduce and the chances are my offspring would be normal The bad thing would be that i'd first need someone to reproduce with o.O that or that my DNA would mutate and still pass on a gene that could give autism =/ . Still, knowing how i've dealt with AS myself, i'd likely keep the child anyways...
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