Religion (or lack thereof) and Autism/Asperger's?

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(People with Autism/Aspergers Only) Religion or Not?

I am very religious, and attend religious services/meetings as often as possible.	9%	[ 54 ]
I am religious, but do not always attend religious services/meetings.	8%	[ 43 ]
I am religious, and attend meetings/services on occasion.	2%	[ 14 ]
I am religious, but I rarely attend meetings/services.	9%	[ 51 ]
I am confused in this area.	6%	[ 35 ]
I am agnostic.	24%	[ 136 ]
I am atheist.	42%	[ 239 ]

Total votes : 572

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07 Jul 2010, 11:09 am

LancetChick wrote:

thechadmaster wrote:

As far as im concerned, a woman who seeks an abortion is the same as her hiring a hitman, the doctor who performs the abortion is the hitman. Scott Roeder (google him) saved the lives of countless babies by taking an abortionist out of practice, while roeder's actions were against God's law, they still prevented further violations of Holy law.

Wow, you're championing a guy who opened fire on and killed a man that was performing a perfectly legal service? Because he disagreed?

You are one sick puppy Chad. No wonder you assumed people would run around killing and stealing without the threat of hell keeping them in check. People like you are scary. Imagine if everyone killed people they didn't agree with. Mindboggling.

I would definitely have to agree with you LancetChick, especially the bolded part.

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07 Jul 2010, 11:20 am

As I see it, religion has two general purposes. Teaching about the nature of reality is not one of them.

First, social functions. Methinks the people on this forum are less likely than average folks to be interested in religion as a social institution.

Second, nurturing our spirituality.

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07 Jul 2010, 11:26 am

It's about guidelines and culture. We make laws and we break them.
What does it matter if one human says it's not okay to disobey?
If we make laws part of religion and an all seeing God who determines your eternal fate, we might decide it's in our best interest to obey those laws. Spirituality is different. It's more about how we connect with those mysteries found in religions. Spirituality is less about laws, more about love, forgiveness and grace.

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07 Jul 2010, 12:57 pm

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So that must mean god knew Ted Bundy and Adolf Hitler before he "formed them in the womb" too right?

God made a rule that he would not interfere with free will, man chooses to sin. Im sure God does not approve of hilters actions, but the earth is satans domain. satan loves to cause trouble up here, and that will continue until judgement day.

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07 Jul 2010, 1:01 pm

I have not been officially diagnosed but I thought I would point out that there is no option for me. I'm spiritual and never attend services since I do not believe they are necessary.

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07 Jul 2010, 3:21 pm

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Horus wrote:

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So that must mean god knew Ted Bundy and Adolf Hitler before he "formed them in the womb" too right?

Explain to me how "free will" is possible if god is OMNISCIENT ("ALL KNOWING".)

If god is truly omniscient, he would've known EXACTLY what Hitler was going to do an eternity prior to creating him. After all, an omniscient god would know everything about the past, present, future and everything else.

But he created him anyway didn't he?

I'm sure you'll think of a clever answer for this one too.

Sometimes I think you theists consider yourselves omniscient. You always have an answer for everyone of god's illogical ways and inconsistencies. And the answer each individual theist offers is often, if not always, significantly different from the answer another theist offers.

Then you argue among yourselves, call your fellow theists herectics, blow each other up, etc......ad nauseum.

All this considered (and much, much more)......it's truly astonishing that many of you theists can't ever comprehend why anyone would be an atheist

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07 Jul 2010, 4:19 pm

Just because some people claim god is omniscient (etc) doesn't make it so.

When it comes to religion and spirituality, it's perhaps more meaningful to listen to what people say about their own spiritual experiences than to listen to what they think is true about God.

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07 Jul 2010, 4:23 pm

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Very well said.

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07 Jul 2010, 4:27 pm

Its a lost cause trying to explain the nature of God to atheists. You are so set in your ways that you cannot see any other option. (i admit im that way too). I have tried to explain my beliefs but if you dont want to listen, thats up to you. I am not admitting defeat here, but i just hope that one day you will see that there is a God who loves you, even though you may not think that right now. My convictions are my own, i believe what i believe, just as you believe what you believe.

I admit that even i do not know every tenet of the Christian faith, i am not perfect, i have never claimed to be. I pray that one day, you will open your mind enough to let God in, at that point you will know true peace. Earthly life is just temporary, we will not have aspergers in heaven, we will be made new beings, perfect. I understand that a leap of faith is not easy to take, to reject what scientists see as fact. But just know that many of the prophecies of the old testament are coming true, the book of Isaiah was written 400-600 years before the birth of Christ, and it gives very in depth details of His life, death, and resurrection. Noah's ark has been found, exactly where the Bible said it would be, even atheistic scientists have proved that a man who happened to be named "Jesus" lived in israel about 2000 years ago.

I will leave you with a link to a video on youtube, this is part one of a movie titled "The Perfect Stranger" A woman who is of agnostic beliefs sits down to dinner with a man who claims to be Jesus Christ, He gives logical detailed answers to each of the womans questions, and she leaves the restaurant with a new view on life.

I encourage you to watch it....If you're strong enough.

The Pefect Stranger-Part 1

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07 Jul 2010, 4:32 pm

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Explain to me how "free will" is possible if god is OMNISCIENT ("ALL KNOWING".)

Just because somebody knows what choice someone will make does not mean that they directed them to do it. I know that people are going to stop a the convenience store where i work, that does not mean i directed them to.

God gave us free will, but He knew what our choices would be. He knew that we were bound to break His rules, but those are our mistakes to make.

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07 Jul 2010, 4:38 pm

thechadmaster wrote:

Horus wrote:

Explain to me how "free will" is possible if god is OMNISCIENT ("ALL KNOWING".)

I normally try to stay out of these kinds of debates, but I just felt the need to intercede here.

A store clerk knowing people will stop in at their store is nowhere near comparable to a God that created us. The Christian God would have us believe we are free to make whatever choice we want and at the same time he gives us a set of 'rules' we are not to break... knowing we will break them?

Seems a bit sadistic to me.

Just my humble opinion as a Pagan.

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07 Jul 2010, 5:48 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

A store clerk knowing people will stop in at their store is nowhere near comparable to a God that created us. The Christian God would have us believe we are free to make whatever choice we want and at the same time he gives us a set of 'rules' we are not to break... knowing we will break them?

No, that's not what Christianity teaches. Jesus came so that we wouldn't have to follow rules to be saved; so that we could be saved despite our imperfections.

I'd argue that even that actually points to a deeper spiritual truth. But the above is Christianity in a nutshell.

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07 Jul 2010, 5:54 pm

thechadmaster wrote:

See, this is one of the most annoying things about many Christians, the need to preach in an attempt to "convert" people. You can't trust that each person has chosen what works best for them as their belief system, no, everyone HAS to share your belief system, and you're not happy unless they do.

You go to church and read your magic book if it makes you happy, and let other people do what makes them happy without having to hear all your inane preaching.

And you don't have to admit defeat, because there was never any competition. Any points you attempted to make in this topic were shot down with ease, repeatedly. All you accomplished was showing everyone how infantile and narrow minded your point of view is.

I apologize, to anyone except chad here, if any of my posts in this topic seemed overly harsh. Religious zealots trying to force their views on others is just one of my major pet peeves.

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07 Jul 2010, 5:58 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

Seems a bit sadistic to me.

God must be masochistic too since he tortured and killed himself. Just look at the story to see how impossible he is to understand:

According to the Bible, Jesus is a god that gave birth to himself, sacrificed himself, whilst asking how has he forsaken himself, before he came back as a zombie who can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. :lol:

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07 Jul 2010, 6:10 pm

thechadmaster wrote:

I think that this is a very fundamental misunderstanding among those with strong religious beliefs. I am an atheist but it's not because I don't listen and it's not because I can't see the value of religious belief.

Firstly, I understand the logical arguments for the existence of a God well. I can argue both sides with equal logical conviction (blame the Ph.D).

However, secondly, I don't think that having the best logical argument is what matters here. I'm inclined to agree with Kirkegaard that religious belief requires a leap of faith. And that's the crux of the problem. However good the argument, if you don't have a sense of God, a feeling for the existence of the monotheistic deity, then you can't, you just can't make that leap.

Thirdly, I was raised Christian, in Ireland. I was an atheist by the age of 12. I refused to be confirmed into Church even at that young age because, for me, all arguments aside, I just didn't feel God.

I've been through a lot of pain in my life, and I can't help feeling that it would be a lot, A LOT, easier to bear if I did have some sort of religion to ground me. But I just don't. And all the arguments in the world can't make that leap of faith for me. I sincerely wish that they could.

I've tried to present this in a way that is sympathetic. I get just as irritated with atheists who try to convert Christians as I do with Christians who feel the need to proselytize atheists.

To each his own and, as one of my favorite people used to say 'may your god go with you'.

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07 Jul 2010, 6:15 pm

I voted atheist, but actually I am high priestess of my own self-invented religion which is based upon a plaster statue that sits in my room...The Winged Gnome Goddess...

She is more-or-less a protective house deity and she has served me well for a number of years.

Oddly enough, most of the aspies that I have met in person have been quite more on the religious side.

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