In a century everyone will probably be on the spectrum.

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27 May 2011, 4:34 pm

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The DSM has changed and the texts will be released soon. This will actually reduce the number of people on the spectrum, streamline the diagnoses of those that are, and prevent future misdiagnosis.


Could you clarify this for me? I didn't think anyone would have to be rediagnosed, or at least most won't.


As far as my understanding, people who have treatment will be re-evaluated or have their diagnosis applied to the new criteria. This may depend on the clinic, however. I wouldn't presume to think that all clinics will be uniform nor to know what every one will do. I do stand behind my general statement.



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27 May 2011, 5:15 pm

It wont reduce the number of people on the spectrum just the amount with a diagnosis, im concerned how this affects the people who have learned to hide their aspieness. They will still be very much autistic even if they dont have enough of the symptoms.



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27 May 2011, 5:18 pm

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Some people believe AS is the new evolution of humans. Then pretty soon so many people will have it it won't be a disorder anymore because it be the norm. It's just a theory of course so no point in arguing over it. What only bugs me is when they insist they are right or act like they are.


I just find that idea unbearably obnoxious......I mean ok I can understand not seeing having aspergers as a bad thing, as some people on the spectrum have found ways to minimize the negatives and are not as impaird as others. But to suggest eventually 'everyone will be just like us' seems to be some misplaced feelings of wishing to be normal. but instead of thinking to ones self 'I wish to be more normal so I am going to learn better social skills' they think 'wouldn't it be nice if everyone was like me, then I'll finally be normal'.



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27 May 2011, 5:23 pm

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27 May 2011, 5:23 pm

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It wont reduce the number of people on the spectrum just the amount with a diagnosis, im concerned how this affects the people who have learned to hide their aspieness. They will still be very much autistic even if they dont have enough of the symptoms.


This is overall true but is categorized under the If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it kind of philosophy.



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27 May 2011, 5:25 pm

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27 May 2011, 5:28 pm

wefunction wrote:
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It wont reduce the number of people on the spectrum just the amount with a diagnosis, im concerned how this affects the people who have learned to hide their aspieness. They will still be very much autistic even if they dont have enough of the symptoms.


This is overall true but is categorized under the If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it kind of philosophy.


The fewer who get Dx'd, the more who will live on the fringes of society. Many of us are there now. How will this help anyone other than a government who won't have to deal with people who have real issues (ie spend money)?


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27 May 2011, 5:37 pm

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The fewer who get Dx'd, the more who will live on the fringes of society. Many of us are there now. How will this help anyone other than a government who won't have to deal with people who have real issues (ie spend money)?


The fringes of society, eh? Where were the fringes before I had my dx?! I would've at least liked to have gone and gotten a souvenir spoon. Do you need a ticket? Is it by invitation only?

You're in California so I'm not sure how you think dxing is the government's problem unless we're looking at Disability and Medicaid. Not everyone with Autism needs to be on Disability or Medicaid.



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27 May 2011, 5:41 pm

I for one welcome my new autistic overlords.

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27 May 2011, 5:42 pm

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27 May 2011, 5:44 pm

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The fewer who get Dx'd, the more who will live on the fringes of society. Many of us are there now. How will this help anyone other than a government who won't have to deal with people who have real issues (ie spend money)?


The fringes of society, eh? Where were the fringes before I had my dx?! I would've at least liked to have gone and gotten a souvenir spoon. Do you need a ticket? Is it by invitation only?

You're in California so I'm not sure how you think dxing is the government's problem unless we're looking at Disability and Medicaid. Not everyone with Autism needs to be on Disability or Medicaid.


Wefunction, while I applaud the fact that you have gotten your DX. I am still living on the fringe....have been since I can remember. My souvenirs are the bumps & bruises of physical & emotional abuse. If you'd like some of them, help yourself. By fringe I am saying without a viable support system from anyone. I have been forced to get by pretty much on my own since I was a child as I had little support from an uncaring unloving family. Is that on the fringe enough for you?

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27 May 2011, 5:49 pm

This theory assumes that evolution always chooses the most advantageous genetic modifications.

The Giant Panda has found out the hard way that evolution doesn't always make the right choices.



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27 May 2011, 5:58 pm

wefunction wrote:
The DSM has changed and the texts will be released soon. This will actually reduce the number of people on the spectrum, streamline the diagnoses of those that are, and prevent future misdiagnosis.


Oh, that's interesting. A little worrying for me, too, as I'm due to be tested at the end of June. Any idea when the changes will come in?



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27 May 2011, 6:03 pm

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The DSM has changed and the texts will be released soon. This will actually reduce the number of people on the spectrum, streamline the diagnoses of those that are, and prevent future misdiagnosis.


Oh, that's interesting. A little worrying for me, too, as I'm due to be tested at the end of June. Any idea when the changes will come in?


he is incorrect, and the changed wont happen till 2013.


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27 May 2011, 6:04 pm

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Wefunction, while I applaud the fact that you have gotten your DX. I am still living on the fringe....have been since I can remember. My souvenirs are the bumps & bruises of physical & emotional abuse. If you'd like some of them, help yourself. By fringe I am saying without a viable support system from anyone. I have been forced to get by pretty much on my own since I was a child as I had little support from an uncaring unloving family. Is that on the fringe enough for you?

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No, it's not on the fringe enough because I've been there. Even if AS was known in the schools at the time I was a kid, my parents still would not have pursued it. My mother was very abusive. As far as physical scars, I'll show you all of mine over drinks some time. Until that time, I don't accept a rough childhood as a reason not to achieve. I see it as a reason to achieve. You are better than your source and it's up to you to prove it. There's no fringe. There's only you and what you're willing to do in this world. If you have a candle to burn, burn it. No one is going to blow it out unless you let them.

My diagnosis answered a lot of questions. It put to rest that myth that I'm lazy or uncaring about certain things. Not only did it make my husband feel better about his wife but it made me feel more secure because a lot of self-doubt rested in not knowing why I was like this when I knew I wasn't doing it on purpose.

Having said that, my diagnosis came without my expectation. It was brought to me by my psychologist and psychiatrist, who evaluated me at my psychologist's request. I would have never thought Aspergers fit me. I had a lot of misconceptions and argued at length with both the psychologist and psychiatrist as they, together, took an hour to explain to me my diagnosis and why it fits. Ironically, that moment was very aspie. If I had realized Aspergers was a fit for me from information I'd reviewed on the internet and in medical journals, I'd feel just as secure. When my diagnosis was being threatened by Manny Misdiagnosis a few months ago, I knew I just needed to maintain General Anxiety Disorder and Depression to receive the medications that help and, thankfully, I was able to get rid of that guy and find a more appropriate psychologist. Still, my medication is now prescribed by a Nurse Practitioner and you know what it addresses? Anxiety and Depression.

Since there's no Aspergers Pill that's going to help you remember, help you stay on task and help you know what to say at what moment in a social situation, there's little point in a formal diagnosis if you already know who you are.

What I recommend for you is not an evaluation and diagnosis for an autism spectrum disorder but rather therapy for the abuse that you've survived. You need coping tools. These tools are essential. It's likely you're lacking a lot of social tools, not because of AS, but because of the abuse because abusive parents don't really give their children the lessons they need to to learn to relate and advance in the world. Many of these parents actually fight to hold their kids back. It's very sick. So, you need some kind of help to get sorted out and know how to plant your feet when you decide where you stand. Proceed with the assumption that you have Aspergers Syndrome and make compensations for yourself (write things down, repeat things, etc).

If there's a fringe, it's because you've created it and placed yourself there. You don't have to isolate yourself simply because your abusers decided you weren't worthy of their love. There's a world out there that's waiting for you to do whatever you want with it.