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24 Jan 2012, 4:11 am

Ok,Here is my though on this and you might want to re read it, after you clam down. {{{HUGS}}}

I am American so, I might not can understand all of the French situation but, I do know at times you have to play the system and not make waves. Staying under the radar, so to speak.

Being as you are stuck in a system that you described, you might have to do just that and it might be difficult.

You did not give your child's age so, it is hard for me to disern how much he can understand about all this.

I am assuming he is around age 10.

If I were you and I am not nor do I presume to know how you feel but under simular circumstances:

I would play their stupid little games because losing my child would be worst than doing that. If the child is old enough to understand what is going on in all this, I would teach him everything, I could about autism. I would explain that he is not mentally disable but just looks at the world differently that most in society.

I would explain how and why I disagree with their solution to his problem but the game has to be played in order for him to be accepted in society.

I would bring him to the stupid Fruedian psychiatrist, then talk with your son after the sessions and tell him why you disagree with the Dr.'s assumption and what your child might can do, to offset the bad info given to him. This all might be very confusing to him but, I would try to find a balance w/ playing the system and helping your child as best as you can at home.

I feel that being as you cannot go through the brick walls, you have to find ways around them.

It might go a long way with helping your child if you can explain that experts are not always right and that he is unfortunatelly stuck in a situation that is a difficult one but one in which he has to be in.

I would stress how important it is to not treat the doctor and school staffs like they do not know what they are doing but act like what they are doing is helping him. Tell him he is not bad, not stupid, just misunderstood.

He can (when questioned by those "experts") pretend to be what they are wanting him to be, "a kid with problems that they are making progress in fixing."
He needs to be told how important it is to not devulge that you and him are playing them, and I would play them like a fine tuned fiddle.



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28 Jan 2012, 2:01 pm

Ok I have an update on this, for anyone interested. I have contacted an autism association (we have them in france too, created by parents and knowledgeable enough to have signed the petition for "the wall") and one of the founders came to my house, he noted everything down and is going to take an appointment with the school's headmaster, first to tell her my rights, and that she is forced to accept the aid in the classroom if she has been appointed, and second to tell her that he regularly has dinner with her boss and her boss' boss, and that she had better stop harassing me. So this is good. I will still recieve a vsit from social services, but he told me I shouldn't worry myself too much as almost every freaking parent in the association has had the same thing happen to them, and the likelyhood of them actually taking the kids is pretty thin, since it's obvious that I love and care for my childen, he said removing them would 'take a complete moron".
I'm going to one of the association's reunion on friday, he said that there normally is a fee to be part of the association but he will tell the headmaster that I am part of the association , to help make her back off of me a bit.
I'm still a bit stressed out, but it's a bit better with some support.
My mother called my son's psychiatrist to let him know what's been happening (she was furious ) and I'll talk to him next time I see him.
thanks to everyone who replied, and I'll let you all know if things go better or worse.
Next part will be to have this headmaster fired.



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28 Jan 2012, 2:13 pm

Thanks for the update ediself. I'm glad you found some support. I hope it all works out okay! You are in my thoughts.



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28 Jan 2012, 2:25 pm

Just a quick note (or is it a question?).

I looked at the article and associated video the OP mentioned, though only long enough to get a general sense of the psychiatric field's attitude toward Autism in France. From what I gathered, in France, Autism is considered a psychotic condition.

So if the OP is saying the school doesn't believe he is Autistic, but is Psychotic, are they saying it's another form of Psychosis? In other words, I'm not quite understanding why they are bothering to argue with the Autistic diagnosis since it amounts to the same things that they would do either way.

Am I confused?


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28 Jan 2012, 2:53 pm

Yes, you are. They were playing word games with her Son's dx to force her to comply with what they wanted (see what constitutes bullying thread! Because this is it in a nutshell!!).
GlAD YOU FOUND SUPPORT, Ediself..
I'd still be for emigrating somewhere ELSE after the dust settles. The UK is far more enlightened. Seriously, psychoanalysis in the 21st Century?! Give me a break.

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28 Jan 2012, 3:01 pm

MrXxx wrote:
Just a quick note (or is it a question?).

I looked at the article and associated video the OP mentioned, though only long enough to get a general sense of the psychiatric field's attitude toward Autism in France. From what I gathered, in France, Autism is considered a psychotic condition.

So if the OP is saying the school doesn't believe he is Autistic, but is Psychotic, are they saying it's another form of Psychosis? In other words, I'm not quite understanding why they are bothering to argue with the Autistic diagnosis since it amounts to the same things that they would do either way.

Am I confused?

It's because they are even worse than this lol...They don't want to take the risk of me being right about anything, and since I know more about autism than they do, they are dismissing my "he's autistic that's why this behaviour is there" with a sort of "let's not label him, let's take each behaviour separately: look how they point to abuse when we examine each of them".
The psychiatrist has been informed about them denying his diagnosis, I think they've been making up half of what they said he told them ( they implied he also thought I was to blame) but I will only know after talking to him.
The basis of all this is "I want that annoying kid out of MY school", and they know there's an association to counter them if they just "refuse an autistic kid", so they try bullying me and hope I just leave. . Thankfully I have his diagnosis black on white, and my son's psychiatrist is not as obtuse as they would have me believe, pretty sure they were bluffing their way through this. Until they sent the letter obviously. Now whatever they do, I will recieve the social services, have them see they've been called over nothing, and then counter attack. Hard.



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28 Jan 2012, 3:07 pm

Matt62 wrote:
Yes, you are. They were playing word games with her Son's dx to force her to comply with what they wanted (see what constitutes bullying thread! Because this is it in a nutshell!!).
GlAD YOU FOUND SUPPORT, Ediself..
I'd still be for emigrating somewhere ELSE after the dust settles. The UK is far more enlightened. Seriously, psychoanalysis in the 21st Century?! Give me a break.

Sincerely,
Matt

I wish I could just do that but I've done some thinking after my "flight" reaction had settled a bit and the "fight" started arising, and it does no good. The UK school will wonder why I lft, they need a paper from the old school, a sort of "signing off" thing saying he is no longer in their school , and the headmaster is going to take great joy in letting them know I'm fleeing because they called social services on me. Plus my son will have to start school in a new language again, I have no home in england, no way to feed the kids (no job), it's not ideal.
It was my first instinct though, I packed twice lol.But she will not win and this is war. No way you can threaten to traumatize my kids for life and get out unhurt.



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28 Jan 2012, 3:11 pm

Ok, go tear 'em a new one then!

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28 Jan 2012, 3:12 pm

That sounds like a terrible excuse to take someone's kids away! Just because you home school your child does not mean that they are under-socialized and may actually be better off.
It sounds like you could benefit from a local homeschooling advocacy group.



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28 Jan 2012, 3:37 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
That sounds like a terrible excuse to take someone's kids away! Just because you home school your child does not mean that they are under-socialized and may actually be better off.
It sounds like you could benefit from a local homeschooling advocacy group.

I'm not homeschooling though. I did it for 6 months last year , but I put him back to school part time , following the advice of the psychiatrist. I told him "they won't like that..." he said "they'll just have to accept it :) " well. Looks like they don't wnt to "just accept it" and the headmaster now hates my guts.