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Moondust
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29 Oct 2012, 7:40 pm

Indeed, abusing, breaking the abuse laws, and all else you relate, is part of the organizational culture there (i.e. the music). That's the reality there now. Ruminating that it's morally wrong / illegal only keeps you stuck. It won't change the org culture and it won't get you out of there.


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29 Oct 2012, 8:22 pm

Moondust wrote:
Indeed, abusing, breaking the abuse laws, and all else you relate, is part of the organizational culture there (i.e. the music). That's the reality there now. Ruminating that it's morally wrong / illegal only keeps you stuck. It won't change the org culture and it won't get you out of there.


If people continually broke into your house, would you say, "oh well, what can i do?" or if people continued speeding down a quiet street where there are many children around? what if your car got keyed on a regular basis?

What im saying is, I refuse to take it lying down. People need to learn some respect, employers need to grow a spine when it comes to bully customers. I am so freaking tired of being told "it is what it is, deal with it". If i had another job lined up, i would start telling people off and standing up for my RIGHT to not be verbally assaulted every day.

Nobody ever changed a thing by sitting in a corner being quiet


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30 Oct 2012, 12:09 am

thechadmaster wrote:
If i had another job lined up, i would start telling people off and standing up for my RIGHT to not be verbally assaulted every day.

Nobody ever changed a thing by sitting in a corner being quiet


This is what moon dust is getting at, I believe. (pardon me if I'm putting words in your mouth, moondust)

Because you have no other option, you have the options of the "sit in a corner being quiet", or get fired for mouthing off to a customer. If you refuse to take it lying down, do the latter, but if you have no other job prospects and are dependent upon the income, then do the former. No one is saying you are wrong for wanting to defend yourself against the trolls of the retail market, just that there are unfortunate consequences to doing so.

In one of the towns I used to live in, they put signs in every store that if you verbally assaulted an employee, you would not get service and would be removed from the premesis. Maybe you should put your energy into making your town or "area" one where verbal abuse, towards employees and customers alike, is not tolerated.


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30 Oct 2012, 7:41 am

I do believe a lot of respect is earned, but I give respect to all anyway. I was taught to be merciful and to respect others even if they don't deserve it. I don't have to like them, agree with them, behave like them....and I don't even always have to do what they say...but I always respect.

Depends on what you mean by respect too.
Some people think respect means being obedient no matter what or kissing the feet of those above you, but respect can also be an attitude. Like "I choose to coexist with you and if you are wronging me, I choose not to add to the problem"

Like if my boss was making me mad or mistreating me, I can go to him respectfully and tell him what is bothering me. It doesn't mean I agree with him, but I can still respect him. If my boss was demeaning me, it doesn't mean all of a sudden I have to disrespect his position by arguing with him, not using respectful language, or being defiant.... I can stand up for myself, but in a respectful way...because like it or not...he is in a position higher than me and of course has earned that position, and also a fellow human being, all people have feelings.



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30 Oct 2012, 9:08 am

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I believe that respect is earned, not given automatically. Regardless of your social status, wealth, political authority, job title, etc. I do not believe in giving respect simply because someone demands it. You have to first show me that you see me as a fellow human being who has feelings, is not simply a robot who is there for you to knock around.

My beliefs are directly at odds with my job. I work in retail, where management (figuratively) demands you hand over your shirt for the customer to wipe his ass with if he should ask. I believe customers need to step down off the high horse and realize that there are other customers besides him who are waiting to/are being served. Money holds no sway with me. I dont give a fig if you're "rich enough to buy my house out from under me", if you're not showing me any respect, I have no motivation to show you any.

I find it highly disrespectful for a manager to tell an employee he did something wrong while the employee is with a customer. I find it disrespectful for a customer to barge through a line of other customers to "ask a quick question" especially when others are in line to do just that. I find it even more disrespectful for a customer to ask me to "work on the rusty GMC later, i want new tires on my BMW now".

Am I wrong for believing that respect is a two way street? Should I have to stand there and take constant verbal abuse and then thank the customer for it? Am I wrong for wanting more out of life than to be treated worse than a stray dog?


So here is the nub of what you're saying:

You dont believe in giving respect 'automatically'.

Other people have to earn your respect.

And how do they do that?

By giving YOU unearned respect automatically!

Lol!

Several other posters here have echoed that same laughable statement.

Am I the only who sees that as a contradiction?

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Okay -maybe its semantic.
You dont mean "respect"( treating them as an equal). You mean "deference". Treating them as more than an equal-kowtowing.

But this is a job. you're not there to venerate rich customers because you really admire them. You PRETEND to worship them[while you are on the clock] just to get their money.
So think of yourself as a starving canibal, and the rich customers as pieces of steak walking around. Then do what you gotta do to get some meat.

Objectify them. Just as they objectify you.

Thats how you play the game.



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30 Oct 2012, 10:20 am

I think that taking abuse silently is very hard for an aspie. At least for me, it's practically impossible without losing it at some point.

To the OP - you have several optional courses of action in your situation, not just one or two. But I don't see you taking any of them, just using your energies to rant. You say you believe above all in teaching the owners a lesson in how to treat employees, yet you haven't mentioned your strategy and plan and how you've been implementing it. By bottling up without a plan, you'll soon melt down, make a scene and get fired. And from outside the workplace, you won't be able to teach them anything.


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