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08 Dec 2013, 8:11 am

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But maybe some people looking up to the label is also bringing some safety and acceptance for people who once would have had less of that. And that's incredibly valuable to all of us, and all of our children.

I do not completely agree.
AS is now more understood than it was 15 or 20 years ago; but it's not like it's better accepted. This is expecially true for teens, because the biggest part of those who claim to have Asperger's are nerdy, idiotic teens who want a free pass to enter "TEH SPESHUL ASPEH CLUB!1!!1!". I've known some people like that: they bother people with the fact I have Asperger's, they are stuck up, they hate everyone who doesn't share their opinions. Because of them I am even more reluctant telling people I have AS because I think people are gonna think I am stuck up and that I hate them all if they don't agree with me. Know what? Now everyone thinks that teens with Asperger's are like that. I've never been told I pretend to have problems, but I've known about some teens with actual Asperger's who have been told that. All because of those fakers. Asperger's is now known in schools, but not in a good way. If it has to be like that, I'd rather no one knew Asperger's in my school.
What I said is partially true for children as well. It seems that a lot of people think that AS is just a label parents want to be put on their child so they won't have the responsibility if he acts in "socially unacceptable" ways.
To conclude, those teens I wrote about before spread the idea that AS makes you cool, rich like Bill Gates, and that it's something one should desire to have. This is dangerous and counterproductive for people with actual Asperger's because we could get to the point that AS is not seen as "much of an issue" anymore and therefore people with AS as people that "don't need help" and people with it might not get anymore the help that they really need.
All things considered, this might be not true for adults with AS. It seems that adults with the condition are way more accepted than how they were before AS was known. But while adults seem to get more understanding, children and teens do not, and expecially teens with AS are seen in a negative way.



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08 Dec 2013, 11:57 am

Quintex, your experience sounds awful, and it's interesting to hear the views of someone who is happy to NOT have a diagnosis. Thanks for sharing.



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08 Dec 2013, 12:29 pm

droppy wrote:
Waterfalls wrote:
But maybe some people looking up to the label is also bringing some safety and acceptance for people who once would have had less of that. And that's incredibly valuable to all of us, and all of our children.

I do not completely agree.
AS is now more understood than it was 15 or 20 years ago; but it's not like it's better accepted. This is expecially true for teens, because the biggest part of those who claim to have Asperger's are nerdy, idiotic teens who want a free pass to enter "TEH SPESHUL ASPEH CLUB!1! !1!". I've known some people like that: they bother people with the fact I have Asperger's, they are stuck up, they hate everyone who doesn't share their opinions. Because of them I am even more reluctant telling people I have AS because I think people are gonna think I am stuck up and that I hate them all if they don't agree with me. Know what? Now everyone thinks that teens with Asperger's are like that. I've never been told I pretend to have problems, but I've known about some teens with actual Asperger's who have been told that. All because of those fakers. Asperger's is now known in schools, but not in a good way. If it has to be like that, I'd rather no one knew Asperger's in my school.
What I said is partially true for children as well. It seems that a lot of people think that AS is just a label parents want to be put on their child so they won't have the responsibility if he acts in "socially unacceptable" ways.
To conclude, those teens I wrote about before spread the idea that AS makes you cool, rich like Bill Gates, and that it's something one should desire to have. This is dangerous and counterproductive for people with actual Asperger's because we could get to the point that AS is not seen as "much of an issue" anymore and therefore people with AS as people that "don't need help" and people with it might not get anymore the help that they really need.
All things considered, this might be not true for adults with AS. It seems that adults with the condition are way more accepted than how they were before AS was known. But while adults seem to get more understanding, children and teens do not, and expecially teens with AS are seen in a negative way.


Good post, I completely agree. Aspergers has become known as the "Cool aloof, intellectual successful" disorder where you don't have to be held accountable for your actions and have an excuse as to why you don't need to try to be polite. Kids are throwing themselves at this condition now to set them apart from the herd. Reminds me of the "emo" fad, where everyone was apathetic and all "I'm so different, no one understands me". Aspergers has essentially replaced the "emo" trend, and for that reason I'm actually happy it doesn't exist anymore and is known as Autism Spectrum Disorder, because these kids won't think it's so "cool and edgy" to say they are autistic now compared to dropping the Aspergers bomb like before. Hopefully this makes them hesitant and makes them realize they aren't "special", they are just a typical teenager trying to figure themselves out and that doesn't mean they have god damn autism because of that.



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08 Dec 2013, 12:40 pm

jcq126 wrote:
droppy wrote:
Waterfalls wrote:
But maybe some people looking up to the label is also bringing some safety and acceptance for people who once would have had less of that. And that's incredibly valuable to all of us, and all of our children.

I do not completely agree.
AS is now more understood than it was 15 or 20 years ago; but it's not like it's better accepted. This is expecially true for teens, because the biggest part of those who claim to have Asperger's are nerdy, idiotic teens who want a free pass to enter "TEH SPESHUL ASPEH CLUB!1! !1!". I've known some people like that: they bother people with the fact I have Asperger's, they are stuck up, they hate everyone who doesn't share their opinions. Because of them I am even more reluctant telling people I have AS because I think people are gonna think I am stuck up and that I hate them all if they don't agree with me. Know what? Now everyone thinks that teens with Asperger's are like that. I've never been told I pretend to have problems, but I've known about some teens with actual Asperger's who have been told that. All because of those fakers. Asperger's is now known in schools, but not in a good way. If it has to be like that, I'd rather no one knew Asperger's in my school.
What I said is partially true for children as well. It seems that a lot of people think that AS is just a label parents want to be put on their child so they won't have the responsibility if he acts in "socially unacceptable" ways.
To conclude, those teens I wrote about before spread the idea that AS makes you cool, rich like Bill Gates, and that it's something one should desire to have. This is dangerous and counterproductive for people with actual Asperger's because we could get to the point that AS is not seen as "much of an issue" anymore and therefore people with AS as people that "don't need help" and people with it might not get anymore the help that they really need.
All things considered, this might be not true for adults with AS. It seems that adults with the condition are way more accepted than how they were before AS was known. But while adults seem to get more understanding, children and teens do not, and expecially teens with AS are seen in a negative way.


Good post, I completely agree. Aspergers has become known as the "Cool aloof, intellectual successful" disorder where you don't have to be held accountable for your actions and have an excuse as to why you don't need to try to be polite. Kids are throwing themselves at this condition now to set them apart from the herd. Reminds me of the "emo" fad, where everyone was apathetic and all "I'm so different, no one understands me". Aspergers has essentially replaced the "emo" trend, and for that reason I'm actually happy it doesn't exist anymore and is known as Autism Spectrum Disorder, because these kids won't think it's so "cool and edgy" to say they are autistic now compared to dropping the Aspergers bomb like before. Hopefully this makes them hesitant and makes them realize they aren't "special", they are just a typical teenager trying to figure themselves out and that doesn't mean they have god damn autism because of that.


Why wouldn't people want to be polite? Why do they enjoy being rude and why do they need an excuse for it?



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08 Dec 2013, 1:21 pm

Depression and Social Anxiety Disorder can also be disabilities and CBT does not always help, I've attempted that for years and its never really helped me with my depression.


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08 Dec 2013, 1:35 pm

I live in canada where most public therapist and mental health services are free. we did not seek out a diagnoses it was given to us by a twist of faith, i was seeing a psychologist that had been working with Autistic children all his career. I agree that the diagnoses should be done by a series of tests such as cognitive ability tests and I.Q tests. i dont think a social worker simply saying "you do seem autistic" is a proper diagnoses.


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08 Dec 2013, 4:38 pm

jcq126 wrote:
droppy wrote:
Waterfalls wrote:
But maybe some people looking up to the label is also bringing some safety and acceptance for people who once would have had less of that. And that's incredibly valuable to all of us, and all of our children.

I do not completely agree.
AS is now more understood than it was 15 or 20 years ago; but it's not like it's better accepted. This is expecially true for teens, because the biggest part of those who claim to have Asperger's are nerdy, idiotic teens who want a free pass to enter "TEH SPESHUL ASPEH CLUB!1! !1!". I've known some people like that: they bother people with the fact I have Asperger's, they are stuck up, they hate everyone who doesn't share their opinions. Because of them I am even more reluctant telling people I have AS because I think people are gonna think I am stuck up and that I hate them all if they don't agree with me. Know what? Now everyone thinks that teens with Asperger's are like that. I've never been told I pretend to have problems, but I've known about some teens with actual Asperger's who have been told that. All because of those fakers. Asperger's is now known in schools, but not in a good way. If it has to be like that, I'd rather no one knew Asperger's in my school.
What I said is partially true for children as well. It seems that a lot of people think that AS is just a label parents want to be put on their child so they won't have the responsibility if he acts in "socially unacceptable" ways.
To conclude, those teens I wrote about before spread the idea that AS makes you cool, rich like Bill Gates, and that it's something one should desire to have. This is dangerous and counterproductive for people with actual Asperger's because we could get to the point that AS is not seen as "much of an issue" anymore and therefore people with AS as people that "don't need help" and people with it might not get anymore the help that they really need.
All things considered, this might be not true for adults with AS. It seems that adults with the condition are way more accepted than how they were before AS was known. But while adults seem to get more understanding, children and teens do not, and expecially teens with AS are seen in a negative way.


Good post, I completely agree. Aspergers has become known as the "Cool aloof, intellectual successful" disorder where you don't have to be held accountable for your actions and have an excuse as to why you don't need to try to be polite. Kids are throwing themselves at this condition now to set them apart from the herd. Reminds me of the "emo" fad, where everyone was apathetic and all "I'm so different, no one understands me". Aspergers has essentially replaced the "emo" trend, and for that reason I'm actually happy it doesn't exist anymore and is known as Autism Spectrum Disorder, because these kids won't think it's so "cool and edgy" to say they are autistic now compared to dropping the Aspergers bomb like before. Hopefully this makes them hesitant and makes them realize they aren't "special", they are just a typical teenager trying to figure themselves out and that doesn't mean they have god damn autism because of that.


This is internalizing ableism and I am sorry to see it winning yet again. Maybe in 5 or 10 years it will be the Autism label that will be the new cool that some NT's will say it is an excuse to get benefits and the truly severely affected will be not be recognized. Maybe Autism is will be defined as the so called lowest functioning people and viewed as hopeless by some NT's and the so called high functioning people instead of being thought of as excuse makers will be not recognized at all (another words back to 1980). Or there might be some combination of the above. Whatever happens you will be back seeking a new label in an attempt to get society's approval.

What I am trying to say there will always be despicable fakers and there will always be at least some people that will use that fact to deny that we exist either out of ignorance or for bullying purposes. Running away from a label the NT's decide is negative is at best a temporary solution.


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08 Dec 2013, 5:04 pm

It would be pleasant to have a definite diagnosis (of whatever), but as everything around this still seems so arbitrary, one would probably not be absolutely sure of anything one way or the other, even after a diagnosis. :(

My experience is that it feels better now, knowing that there are others who share the same traits and the same experiences, so it is not just me. :)

On the other hand, after having read about these things, I have now given up even wanting to socialise, since it apparently is not for me. :(

I will probably stay a poser indefinitely, since it feels wrong to bother the medical services unless it is absolutely necessary, and I have heard that it might take years to get to see a professional (my brother has a diagnosis, but his is a more severe case), but are you really a poser if you never tell anyone, or never claim to be anything? Most people know nothing about autism anyway, so there is no one who could understand what disorder one might suppose having something of ... :?



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08 Dec 2013, 6:37 pm

jcq126 wrote:
I'm bashing the people who aren't ASD at all and just want something to latch onto for a crutch or excuse as to why nobody likes them and how they are so "different".


Is this happening online? Can you point to any examples?