Fundamental difference between Neurotypicals and AS people

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olympiadis
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27 Oct 2014, 6:00 pm

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Death is "on the ground", while life is "in the sky".

Neurotypicals have a top-down view on life (they perceive wholes). They consider themselves "alive" and look at risks of death. This is the social approach to survival.

People with AS have a bottom-up view on life (they perceive details). They consider themselves "dead" and look at possibilities for life. This is the solitary approach to survival.


I'm still trying to follow along.
I'm sure what you're talking about goes deeper than the words alive, death, and god suggest.

Are you associating the perception of death with corporal form?

If so, then you may also mean that our individual conscious represents a higher form?

I have described the AS/NT difference in terms of AS representing individual intelligence and NT representing system intelligence - the collective conscious.

In this case being separated or rejected from the collective conscious is a kind of death for the NT. They strive to be a component in an ever larger collective.

For the autistic, they are already separated and yet a whole individual.

In your animal example are you comparing herding or pack animals with solitary animals?



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27 Oct 2014, 6:10 pm

I think we just need to accept that there isn't some neat dividing line between us and NTs. It's very hard, if not impossible, to create two boxes in which you can put all autistic people and all NTs, except of course for boxes with those exact labels.



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27 Oct 2014, 9:34 pm

Qawer, I always find your theories interesting.

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Thus, what directly motivates a neurotypical to survive is his fear of death.

While I have never discussed this topic (a neurotypical?s fear of death) with others, I wouldn?t be surprised if this were true. I remember, in college English, reading lots of literature about this topic. It always confused me. As I never really feared death myself. It sort of also explains why dealing with death is so important in organized religion, which I presume was created by neurotypicals for neurotypicals.

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AS people naturally look at opportunities at becoming or maintaining being a God.

Growing up, I remember my Mom telling me that ?there is a piece of God in everyone?. I remember sitting around thinking which piece and in which of my body parts.



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28 Oct 2014, 7:57 am

olympiadis wrote:
qawer wrote:
Death is "on the ground", while life is "in the sky".

Neurotypicals have a top-down view on life (they perceive wholes). They consider themselves "alive" and look at risks of death. This is the social approach to survival.

People with AS have a bottom-up view on life (they perceive details). They consider themselves "dead" and look at possibilities for life. This is the solitary approach to survival.


I'm still trying to follow along.
I'm sure what you're talking about goes deeper than the words alive, death, and god suggest.

Are you associating the perception of death with corporal form?

If so, then you may also mean that our individual conscious represents a higher form?

I have described the AS/NT difference in terms of AS representing individual intelligence and NT representing system intelligence - the collective conscious.

In this case being separated or rejected from the collective conscious is a kind of death for the NT. They strive to be a component in an ever larger collective.

For the autistic, they are already separated and yet a whole individual.

In your animal example are you comparing herding or pack animals with solitary animals?


Hi olympiadis.

I think we are talking about the same thing.

AS people feel quite "complete"/a whole individual just by being themselves. NTs do not feel quite "complete"/a whole individual until they join a group.

The fact that AS individuals feel like a whole individual just by being themselves reflects their fearlessness. They do not fear death, because if they truly did, they would seek group-membership just like NTs do.

NTs have empathy. It is the empathy that makes them truly afraid of death, forcing them to join a group to feel complete.

AS people do not have empathy. Therefore, they are not truly afraid of death, which is why they can feel complete just by being themselves.

The reason AS people are fearless is because their baseline is death. How can you be afraid of something that you already are? They have bottom-up view on life, starting at death and looking at life opportunities.

NTs on the other hand are fearful because their baseline is life. They are scared of death because of their top-down view on life, starting at life and looking at risks of death.



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29 Oct 2014, 8:59 am

To say that autism is "another language," and that people with autism can't understand neurotypical "language" is absurd.

The difference between NT's and people with autism lies, as stated above, in the fact that neurotypical have an INTRINSIC social facility; whereas people with autism have to acquire this social facility through trial and error.



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29 Oct 2014, 9:14 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
The difference between NT's and people with autism lies, as stated above, in the fact that neurotypical have an INTRINSIC social facility; whereas people with autism have to acquire this social facility through trial and error.


Damn ... I was enjoying embracing my inner zombie.



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29 Oct 2014, 9:21 am

I'm Aspergian, and I have a fear of death. My 'default" status is life, not death.

I believe, to place an arbitrary "line" between autistic people and NT's is counterproductive (especially for the person with autism), incorrect, and stultifying.