Poll: Is Autism and Aspergers a result of vaccinations?
-my mum has always kept a diary and in the year I had the vaccine (1991 I think it was), she's got it written down that I had a fever straight after the vaccination for a couple of days, but she took me to the doctor and he said that I didn't have a virus
-nobody in my family has any ASD, I have a lot of cousins and I can confidently say that they are all NT, no ASDs or other non-NT conditions. And that also includes my parents, siblings, aunts, uncles, grandparents, etc.
-I had a healthy birth, was actually born 4 days after my due date, and weighed about 7 pounds, and was a healthy baby. I think the MMR vaccine did cause me to suffer this curse. So I could have been NT.
Correlation is not causation, kid. Your data may or may not be flawed, but both your reasoning and your conclusion certainly are.
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-my mum has always kept a diary and in the year I had the vaccine (1991 I think it was), she's got it written down that I had a fever straight after the vaccination for a couple of days, but she took me to the doctor and he said that I didn't have a virus
-nobody in my family has any ASD, I have a lot of cousins and I can confidently say that they are all NT, no ASDs or other non-NT conditions. And that also includes my parents, siblings, aunts, uncles, grandparents, etc
-I had a healthy birth, was actually born 4 days after my due date, and weighed about 7 pounds, and was a healthy baby
I think the MMR vaccine did cause me to suffer this curse. So I could have been NT.

Fever like that after a vaccine is common. The high fevers above 104 that can cause brain damage are not common. Nobody in my family has any kind of ASD either and I was a healthy baby too, I only had allergies. None of those things point to the MMR causing your autism. I believe it just happens. I think a gene mutates somehow during development that's that. They mutate randomly to cause all sorts of disorders.
My kids all had fevers after shots and my daughter had such a bad reaction to her pertussis vaccine that she was in the hospital for a few days and the doc said never give her nor any of my kids a pertussis shot again. I believe my youngest son has a mild case of AS like I do but his shot reaction was the same as the rest. Also my oldest son had measles after he got the shot. His shot schedule was off because he had been sick and he caught measles.
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Some neat data that the anti-vaxers cover their ears and hum if you bring it up: There are now screening protochols that can detect ASD in infants 6-12 months old, before their first round of vaccinations. The signs are subtle, but they can be found.
Whenever I ask an anti-vaxer how the first course of vaccines (at one year) manage to reach backward in time and cause the disorder months in advance, they pretend they didn't hear me and keep ranting.
I agree with you on certain shots (especially flu ones), as I also have an egg allergy that I have to deal with. There is a flu vaccine nose mist that does not trigger the egg allergy, but I have not used it yet.
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I KNEW it!

Just kidding, I myself am a barefoot tree-hugging hippie. An autistic barefoot tree-hugging hippie. (See? Like I said...I knew it!)


I KNEW it!

Just kidding, I myself am a barefoot tree-hugging hippie. An autistic barefoot tree-hugging hippie. (See? Like I said...I knew it!)
N = 1 is all we need. You've proven the hypothesis!

I grew up in a house were we grew or caught most of our own food, so right there with you. We're also one of those annoying families that knows who our 13-greats grandfather was and has extensive records. It's pretty clear from reading it that Autism would be a viable diagnosis for plenty of my ancestors going back well before Edward Jenner ever noticed how hot the milkmaids were.
I agree with you on certain shots (especially flu ones), as I also have an egg allergy that I have to deal with. There is a flu vaccine nose mist that does not trigger the egg allergy, but I have not used it yet.
There are definitely some people who can't get vaccines, and some for whom they just don't do any good. The elderly and cancer patients might not have enough immune system to be effectively vaccinated and are also very vulnerable to disease.
This is part of the reason why getting vaccinated is a ethical choice as well as a medical one. I'd feel pretty bad if grandma died of flu complications because I didn't bother getting vaccinated and brought it to her over the holidays. Unfortunately, that sort of thing happens every year.
Yes as far as I know they had the MMR vaccination too. And yes I am the only one who has Asperger's in my family.
I just feel so bitter about having Asperger's that I want to blame something.
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Yes as far as I know they had the MMR vaccination too. And yes I am the only one who has Asperger's in my family.
I just feel so bitter about having Asperger's that I want to blame something.
That is perfectly understandable. We all want reasons for our suffering, something we can point to. It helps make the world seem less unfair if we can point to some event and say "That's the cause."
The sad thing is that nobody knows the cause yet, and it's very unlikely there's going to be just one thing. We just have to live with that.
You're Asperger's sets you apart and that's really hard to live with sometimes, but there's also the chance to make it part of what makes you unique and amazing.
I was born normally, talking full sentences and all of a sudden at about 2 I stopped talking. Mom thinks it was due to neglect.
I don't know if it was after the vaccines. Luckily, a year later I started talking again and things were progressing as they should, she said it's because of the change in raising me and got a good baby sitter who would play a lot with me and teach me words.
Then diagnosed with ADHD at 7 but still a very outgoing and talkative person. It wasn't until I was 17 that I noticed a significant change in personality and social anxiety. I felt stuck for years not knowing what was going on. It was probably due to the fact that I was on antidepressants for years and stopped them cold turkey after 3 years. It put me into such a depression I thought about suicide for a long time, then years later I get back on antidepressants and am outgoing again.
The only thing now that I noticed is my obsessions are just as bad as they were as a child..
My daughter has not had live vaccines sush as MMR, Polio and Varicilla because of immune suppression and she has Autism, my son also has Aspergers and is fully vaccinated.
I believe it has no impact, I feel genetics and brain development have roles to play.
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One demonstrator drew a shape, and asked the crowd what is wrong. He wanted to illustrate bias and mental conditioning. He eventually told them that they had just been primed. He had intended to draw the shape that way, all along. There was nothing wrong with it.
Do we question where wild roses first went wrong, when planting the hybrid, or is the lop-eared hunting dog a wolf with an ear pathology? Are we describing natural variations, which occur within a specie, as a handicap.
Of which I am aware, traits on the autistic spectrum are all present in neurotypical people, to some degree.
He probably wasn't allergic yet. You're not born with allergies, you develop them after exposure to an allergen.
When I first got pet rats, I wasn't allergic to them, but after having rats for five years, I progressively got more and more allergic until I had to stop having rats anymore. It was the exposure to rats that triggered the allergy.
In any case, if the eggs in his vaccine were going to be a problem, you'd have noticed within 24 hours of the vaccine. If he didn't react within 24 hours, then he wasn't allergic to eggs yet.
-my mum has always kept a diary and in the year I had the vaccine (1991 I think it was), she's got it written down that I had a fever straight after the vaccination for a couple of days, but she took me to the doctor and he said that I didn't have a virus
-nobody in my family has any ASD, I have a lot of cousins and I can confidently say that they are all NT, no ASDs or other non-NT conditions. And that also includes my parents, siblings, aunts, uncles, grandparents, etc
-I had a healthy birth, was actually born 4 days after my due date, and weighed about 7 pounds, and was a healthy baby
I think the MMR vaccine did cause me to suffer this curse. So I could have been NT.

That's very slim evidence. So you had a fever? So what? Plenty of kids have fevers after a vaccine and don't become autistic.
So no one in your family is autistic? That could just mean you have a de novo mutation instead of inherited autism. (For example, maybe you have a copy number variant, most of those have no family history.)
So you had a normal birth? Very few autistic people have any neonatal complications. It's a rare cause of autism. Why would you assume you weren't born with autism just because you didn't have neonatal complications?
Do you have any actual evidence?
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