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11 Mar 2019, 11:34 am

perhaps not misdiagnosed, but UNDER diagnosed...these things take time. While those with Autism have similarities, we have our differences too. You are an individual first and foremost.



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11 Mar 2019, 2:46 pm

I have a tad of schizophrenia as well. While dyspraxia is a much more common comorbid of asd, asd + schizophrenia isn't uncommon.



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11 Mar 2019, 3:14 pm

All of those are classic signs of autism. The IQ part is especially interesting, because verbal autistics frequently have a much higher VIQ than PIQ, and nonverbal autistics tend to have a much higher PIQ than VIQ. In the average NT, the gap between VIQ and PIQ tends to range between 0 and 5 IQ points. Any gap above 9 points is considered clinically significant. With a PIQ of 98 and a VIQ of 141, the gap between my two IQ scores is 43 points. This means that it's very difficult to get an accurate measure of overall intelligence, or "full-scale IQ" (FSIQ). Mine was measured at 120, but my report indicates that my "general ability index" which is basically an IQ score that's less sensitive to the discrepancies between IQ subscores, is a more accurate measure of my overall intelligence.

Spatial awareness and sense of direction can go either way. I've read about autistics who have a fantastic memory for directions and who can navigate through foreign cities after having just looked at a map once. For myself, I cannot navigate my way out of a wet paper bag, and even struggle when using GPS. It significantly limits where I feel comfortable going and the kinds of conditions I'm willing to travel in. For instance, I'm far less likely to try going somewhere new if I know there's going to be heavy traffic, because trying to get around other cars when I don't know where I'm going is an absolute nightmare.

Difficulty with hand-eye coordination is not uncommon either. As a kid, I had accommodations at school that gave me extra time to complete my work, as well as fewer problems (math questions, spelling words, etc.) than the other kids, because my hand-eye coordination was such that it took me a very long time to write things down.


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11 Mar 2019, 3:21 pm

firemonkey wrote:
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I thought those were typical symptoms of dyspraxia.


Yes they are , but I was wondering whether they are also applicable to ASD.

well, the 6th of Gillberg's AS criteria said "Motor clumsiness: poor performance on neurodevelopmental examination", and all 6 criteria had to be met. So he obviously saw them as connected.


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11 Mar 2019, 3:26 pm

firemonkey wrote:
There's been no mention of having been misdiagnosed. If my pdoc is right the best fit is ASD + schizophrenia.


Do you agree with that fit?


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11 Mar 2019, 4:08 pm

SaveFerris wrote:
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There's been no mention of having been misdiagnosed. If my pdoc is right the best fit is ASD + schizophrenia.


Do you agree with that fit?



I think it's in the ball park. I'm not sure if I fit the full criteria for what was Asperger's. Atypical autism? I think schizoaffective would fit better than schizophrenia. The reason the pdoc might have opted for schizophrenia is current lack of mood symptoms(though I have had them in the past). The depot antipsychotics (Consta and then Paliperidone) have mood stabilising properties.



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11 Mar 2019, 4:12 pm

firemonkey wrote:
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firemonkey wrote:
There's been no mention of having been misdiagnosed. If my pdoc is right the best fit is ASD + schizophrenia.


Do you agree with that fit?



I think it's in the ball park. I'm not sure if I fit the full criteria for what was Asperger's. Atypical autism? I think schizoaffective would fit better than schizophrenia. The reason the pdoc might have opted for schizophrenia is current lack of mood symptoms(though I have had them in the past). The depot antipsychotics (Consta and then Paliperidone) have mood stabilising properties.


Do you or have you experienced delusions, hallucinations, etc? If so, what prevented them from being evaluated by someone prior to now? That's quite a serious condition.


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11 Mar 2019, 4:21 pm

Hallucinations have been the very occasional one word/one sentence occurrence ie not a running commentary. I am described in my notes as having experienced delusions.

Schizophrenia 1975- 1983?
Schizoaffective 1983?- 2005
Personality disorder NOS 2005-?
Paranoid personality disorder ?-



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12 Mar 2019, 10:48 am

firemonkey wrote:
Hallucinations have been the very occasional one word/one sentence occurrence ie not a running commentary. I am described in my notes as having experienced delusions.

Schizophrenia 1975- 1983?
Schizoaffective 1983?- 2005
Personality disorder NOS 2005-?
Paranoid personality disorder ?-


Doesn't sound like you have suffered from hallucinations per say. And the delusions you have talked about in the past sound like bad anxiety rather than paranoia.
Do you get worse without anti-psychotics? Have you just been on a mood stabilizer alone?

It's not that I doubt your diagnosis ( I'm not qualified ) but mistakes have been made in the past with ASD and being misdiagnosed with schizophrenia ( due to not knowing enough ).

The important thing though is that you are happy it's a good fit and you get the right treatment.


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12 Mar 2019, 10:59 am

firemonkey wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
firemonkey wrote:
There's been no mention of having been misdiagnosed. If my pdoc is right the best fit is ASD + schizophrenia.


Do you agree with that fit?



I think it's in the ball park. I'm not sure if I fit the full criteria for what was Asperger's. Atypical autism? I think schizoaffective would fit better than schizophrenia. The reason the pdoc might have opted for schizophrenia is current lack of mood symptoms(though I have had them in the past). The depot antipsychotics (Consta and then Paliperidone) have mood stabilising properties.


If atypical autism you might have fallen into the PDD-NOS category when it existed.



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12 Mar 2019, 11:09 am

^^ Antipsychotics are a mixed bag. Since having them regularly I've been less emotionally reactive/prone to meltdowns when stressed. Now I'm emotionally flat whereas before I had a strong reaction to negative stimuli and a blunted response to positive stimuli. I was on a mood stabiliser alone from 1982-1998 previous to that I'd been on antipsychotics. I think at the time I was switched to the mood stabiliser there was some interest in lithium's anti psychotic properties.

Re the delusions: I have had some weird stuff I'm too scared of a negative reaction to post here.