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13 Jan 2022, 10:59 pm

I had comparatively bad grades in English and French when I was a student. I couldn't study them the way I studied other subjects, by rote memorisation. When I moved abroad I had to learn Japanese, and the only way I've been able to do that is by immersion. (Tried textbooks but got tired after a few pages.)

I don't have any particular strength in writing not seen in speaking seeing as I speak the way I write. My assessor described my way of speaking as "diffuse" and "long-winded". Thus I try to keep it short these days.



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13 Jan 2022, 11:18 pm

Learning new languages, or expressing oneself in one's own language? They're not wholly unrelated things, but they're on different ends of the same spectrum. In terms of communication, some ASD individuals do have trouble learning to express themselves. Aspies tend to be on the less-severe end of the spectrum though, and are usually more or less fine in that regard. However, it is not uncommon for us to struggle with things like eye contact, body language, and proper conversational discourse.

As for learning languages, it probably depends. Many of us have the ability to hyperfocus, which can be really useful in a task such as learning a language. However, that "ability" comes with some caveats, such as it usually being directed towards something of interest to the individual, and whether it can be channeled towards something as productive as learning a language likely varies. One variable that's worth considering is where the area of hyperfocus is.

For example, I know from personal experience and observation of others that being really into Japanese media and wanting to learn Japanese solely for that end tends to end in frustration before too long. People in my Japanese class who were only there for that purpose dropped like flies in the first semester, no joke. That's not just an aspie thing, by the way. It's common with NTs. I myself have tried to use Japanese media as an incentive to get better at the language, but have only gotten so far. On the other hand, I have made the most progress when I have taken a genuine interest in the language.

What I can infer from my experience is, if someone were to hyperfocus on a language itself, out of genuine interest for the language, then I wouldn't be surprised if it did turn out to be a superpower that made getting the language down far easier. If it's simply viewed as a means to whatever end the hyperfocus is really on, then it might not work out nearly as well.



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13 Jan 2022, 11:26 pm

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For example, I know from personal experience and observation of others that being really into Japanese media and wanting to learn Japanese solely for that end tends to end in frustration before too long. People in my Japanese class who were only there for that purpose dropped like flies in the first semester, no joke. That's not just an aspie thing, by the way.

The only way I could properly learn Japanese was to get a job where nobody spoke English.

I've heard that many young fellas get a good start by doing homestays in Japan where, again, you have no choice but to use whatever you have learnt so far to get your point across.



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14 Jan 2022, 2:24 am

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For example, I know from personal experience and observation of others that being really into Japanese media and wanting to learn Japanese solely for that end tends to end in frustration before too long. People in my Japanese class who were only there for that purpose dropped like flies in the first semester, no joke. That's not just an aspie thing, by the way.

The only way I could properly learn Japanese was to get a job where nobody spoke English.

I've heard that many young fellas get a good start by doing homestays in Japan where, again, you have no choice but to use whatever you have learnt so far to get your point across.
That makes sense. It's a maddeningly difficult language to learn, at least when learning it from English, and I have yet to truly cross the threshold of even child-level fluency. It probably doesn't help that both languages (especially English) are weird franken-languages that have incorporated elements of other languages since their inception that make them more complicated than a typical language. I can say I'm thankful to speak English natively. Japanese is definitely complicated though and I hope one day I'll end up being semi-ok at it. I don't actually intend to live in Japan at this stage though, so my opportunities to truly get the language down are unfortunately somewhat limited.



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14 Jan 2022, 3:40 am

Yeah, I'm fully aware that with different goals comes different combinations of carrot and stick. I have to speak the language else I can't do my job ergo no salary for my family. I also arrived in Japan at a fairly late age (28) so I had to start full-time work from Day 1, leaving no room for classroom studies. OK, so I did have weekends but like any other Aspie I wanted time for my hobbies.

For me it would be extremely hard/impossible to learn a language through textbooks. I need the back and forth of conversations with natives in order to advance.

I don't know whether it matters but my native language is Swedish. Besides a comparatively large vowel inventory, it's quite similar to English. If Swedish and English are cousins then Japanese is like the dodgy guy from the other side of town to both of them.



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14 Jan 2022, 4:00 am

ADOS-2 : social communication 3(autism level)

Send to high range verbal tests: Lexiq 168,Einplex 128,W 142,Addagram 152,Splice 155,Vision 145,TOIP 148-151, Uncommonly common 1st attempt 148-153,Uncommonly common 2nd attempt 154-159