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25 Sep 2008, 7:16 am

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I do NOT understand these people! If someone is born from Jesus, they should have no sin or death because god spoke only to adam AFTER HE ate the apple! ALSO, to believe otherwise, is to believe that Jesus HIMSELF was tainted. YEAH, I know that MARY was supposedly free of all sin, and a virgin birth, but THAT has even MORE problems! So doesn't that mean the person would be just, healthy, and not die of old age? AND, if anyone believes other than how I have specified here, then JESUS had the SAME problems! After all, his BIRTH was supposed to be key. Yet some STILL claim they are from the same line.

As for the people today? There are only TWO possibilities! I have known this for DECADES, and can't believe others don't. The TWO possibilities? The leaders are either INCREDIBLY STUPID, or INCREDIBLY EVIL! I mean THINK ABOUT IT! EVEN if, as many believe, this is MERELY because they are INCREDIBLY GREEDY, they are STILL EVIL because it is SO bad, and STUPID because it has, and will affect THEM also.


Where in the Bible does it say that Adam or Eve (Chawah) ate the apple or even imply that the apple was the forbidden fruit? It does not! It does not say that Mary was free of sin either. For everyones' information, the kings of Europe are in fact descended from Judah, son of Jacob. As far as our leaders are concerned, I think they are both incredibly evil and incredibly stupid. I don't buy into the giant conspiracy theory, but I do buy into the many mini-conspiracies that are all happening at the same time. By the way, it isn't just our leaders that are incredibly evil, it is also much of the population.


You're RIGHT! I was speaking of imagery laid down by history. It clearly WASN'T an apple! Steve allen implied it might have been a banana! It wasn't THAT either! And the BIBLE doesn't say that mary was free of sin, or from a virgin birth, but some catholics DO! I was using it as a device to illustrate a point, and preemptively shoot down that reasoning. And HOW do you know about the kings of Europe?!?!? I DOUBT they are descended from Judah, even if many DO have the same bloodline, that most jews clearly DON'T have.



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25 Sep 2008, 8:48 am

Its all a lie. I will rule the world

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25 Sep 2008, 9:49 am

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Vigilance is always important. However there's a difference between saying that illicit corporations have some influence in the political scheme and saying the entire world is effectively one giant cooperate conspiracy. As for the book, it's easy to sound convincing when your the only one speaking.

It is my view that roughly 90% of conspiracy theories either have no logical backing, or are caused by legitimate concerns that in reality have perfectly benign (although obscure) explanations. The remaining 10% are the result of real illicit activity, however the details may be wrong (just because an event was caused by a conspiracy doesn't mean it was connected to any other conspiracies). And in the most serious conspiracies, there is always a leak. You simply can't ensure that everyone involved will keep their silence no matter how much they are bullied and bribed.

There's a good chance I'll end up in a government job after I'm out of college (Cyber Security major), and if I find myself in a conspiracy....let's just say a few reputable news sources will find packages from "an anonymous informant", sitting on their front door.


I think you are right here. As far as the last bit there...

Woo hoo! Good for you. :)



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25 Sep 2008, 10:37 am

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You're RIGHT! I was speaking of imagery laid down by history. It clearly WASN'T an apple! Steve allen implied it might have been a banana! It wasn't THAT either! And the BIBLE doesn't say that mary was free of sin, or from a virgin birth, but some catholics DO! I was using it as a device to illustrate a point, and preemptively shoot down that reasoning. And HOW do you know about the kings of Europe?!?!? I DOUBT they are descended from Judah, even if many DO have the same bloodline, that most jews clearly DON'T have.


Okay, I understand :-) I re-read what you said.

To address the bloodline issue, one has to keep a couple of things in mind:
One problem with tracing Jewish bloodlines is the fact that Jews generally trace their bloodlines through their MOTHERS. In other words, Jewish society is matriarchal. The Bible uses the patriarchal model for tracing bloodlines. Also, there are two different genealogical classes of Jews. One is Shepardic and, the other is Askenazie. The Shephardic Jews generally migrated from the Middle East into Spain and from there to other parts. The Askenazie Jews migrated from the Middle East through Eastern Europe and from there to other parts. There is a very good chance that the Askenazie Jews did not descend from Judah but rather from one of the other tribes of Israel. In fact there are some people who claim that they actually did not come from ancient Israel at all (I seriously doubt that belief). Another problem with using gene markers is the fact that the descendants of Israel come from FOUR different mothers. In essence, we have two different ways of tracing ancestors and four different mothers involved. This makes using genetic markers sketchy at best. Most Rabbis I talk to have told me this as well.

Another way to attempt to trace the roots of different people is by using cultural, heraldic, and linguistic clues. An example of this is by using the word British which translates to covenant man in Hebrew. The British-Israel Society CLAIMS to have the genealogy of the European royalty traced all the way back to Judah.
I am not saying this is entirely accurate but it can be. Do a search on the Internet about the coronation stone a.k.a. the "Stone of Scone." If there wasn't at least some belief by royalty of the Davidic or Judaic bloodline, then why would a slab of sandstone be among one of the most guarded artifacts in history? One might also look up the words, "Tea Tephi." I am not telling you to believe what I am saying but am just pointing out that there is some evidence suggesting that the royalty is in fact descended from Judah


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25 Sep 2008, 12:33 pm

I'm reminded as WHY Alex Jones is the s**t!

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This is done by design, and they are moving in army brigades so that when you really find out what’s happening, when you riot because they’ve taken your pension fund and destroyed your future, they can use microwave guns and machine guns down the street.


yeah right, there's so many militias, etc it'd be too late. how long until the niggaz from Anacostia DC end up capping the Federal Reservists' azzez

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And so when the Nazis were brought to the U.S. when Germany fell, they were coming back home. They were coming from where they’d sprung.


the idea of a nordic blue eye blond hair came from the US Eugenics project and the US collaborated with the Nazis on sterilizing "mentally handicapped" and neurodiverse people.

EDIT: It is known that during the Russian Civil War, the communists did get a lot of funds from Jews, due to the White Armies being anti-semitic and the like. I don't believe that they were funded by both sides or communism being created by the banks.

I remember this book called "War is a Racket" written by Smedley, a general who admits being the muscle of the rich bankers in Central and South America, Chins, etc and saying it's all BS however.

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I’ve already rattled off some of the corporations that were supporting the Nazis prior to the war: Brown Brothers Harriman, the JF IBM. IBM produced very specialized punch cards for the German IBM equipment that allowed them to ship all the Jews and the dissidents off to the concentration camps. General Motors, Ford, they were producing war materials for the Nazis because business after all is just business.


again true; a lot of US businesses were doing deals with the Nazis. Actually, Fanta was created by Coca-Cola to continue business with the Germans originally.

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And that’s when, in 1947, they began to create a National Security state here within the United States. And it started with the rocket scientists, the mind control experts, the CIA, but then it rolled into the defense industries, and then into the universities which were packed with some of these same people. Psychiatry was a big center. They brought all the German psychiatrists over here.


again true; the US Rocket and Space program was started by German Scientists. Also see CIA programs like MK-ULTRA (the CIA Admits trying Mind Control and experiments by doping up people with LSD. TImothy Leary participated in it)

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you’ll learn that as late as 2007 documents surfaced in England that showed that during the war the queen mother of England thought it was perfectly okay to have a Nazi occupation of England as long as they guaranteed the monarchy would remain intact.


Not sure about that but I know there were some UK Royals that were infactuated with it. As an interesting thing, the Nazis considered the UK to be Nordic.

EDIT 2: regarding the cartoons and the like

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In fact, pull that up. Go to You Tube, guys! Google on You Tube, “Disney Cartoons, New World Order,” and it will be Daffy Duck getting mad as a secret agent, blowing up Nazis, and the Nazis are always going, ‘Heil Hitler, Heil Hitler, New World Order, New World Order!’ Anyways.


seriously, that doesn't surprise me. There's plenty of stuff like that, racist caricatures, etc in disney animation from the 1930s and 40s. Plenty of propaganda too. Hitler was REAL popular in the US in how he rebuilt Germany

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It blew my mind being a veteran of the Vietnam war to find out that at the height of the Vietnam war when we were fighting North Vietnam and said it was just a surrogate of China and Russia


lol...that s**t is confusing. the US said they were preventing communism, the north vietnamsese said it was ending a civil war and repellign foreign influence, etc. s**t there were border disputed between Vietnam and China; big battles after the Vietnam war ended.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War

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I And the PhDs in psychology, psychiatry came out of Germany and England.


erm Freud was Austrian so It makes sense that that happened.

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But you have to understand that neoconservatism is simply National Socialism.


no it's IIRC a newer version of Trotsky's World Revolution idea Americanized

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AJ: Let’s explain. The big bankers want to train us and domesticate us with social engineering to pay our money to them so they can steal it. Look how the bankers right now are getting the bail-out. That’s socialism for them! That’s why it’s communism for them, not for us. Then they use our tax money to militarize the police.


that's true. They aren't even hiding it, that bailout blatantly said they're giving it to them with no orversight. Soe of congress is fighting it.

But hey look on the good side. It's easier for a communist or anarchist revolution to happen :D


EDIT: I don't agree with ALL of Alex Jones stuff and is too lazy to read it all as well so Im stopping here. Have to lol @ the flouride=IQ reduction, I've heard rumors of it being a toxin or dangerous (well slight percentage increase sctually) but nothing of it reducing IQ. Many want it only placed in toethpaste instead as its more efficient. Hmm


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25 Sep 2008, 12:33 pm

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I As the author mentioned even the presidential canidates the powers that be toss at the American public like some sorry bone are blood relatives 8O And the family roots can be traced way back to other royal families that are still on the throne today.


One of the more idiotic 'arguments' of illuminati-type conspiracy theorists. The sum total of your ancestors going back up to the nth generation (bar inbreeding) is 2^(n+1) - 2 (look up 'geometric series'). For, say, 20 generations that gives you a total of ancestors: 2, 097, 150. If there are, say, 4 generations in a century, if you go back to the year 1000 you have about 40 generations - about 2 million million ancestors minus inbreeding. The chances of, say, some medieval European monarch being among your ancestors are not remote at all if you're white (they're probably all but certain) - especially if you consider that kings generally had vastly more children that survived to have children of their own than the average peasant (better nutrition, no overwork, droit de seigneur, etc). So that Bush is allegedly a descendant of a medieval European king (Charlemagne) is, if true, not exactly amazing. Plus, having common ancestors doesn't exactly ensure that you'll get along at all (ever heard of family feuds?) as the history of aristocracies amply demonstrates.

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even the queen believes she is descended from Jesus Christ


Do you read minds or is it divine revelation?


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It is my view that roughly 90% of conspiracy theories either have no logical backing, or are caused by legitimate concerns that in reality have perfectly benign (although obscure) explanations. The remaining 10% are the result of real illicit activity, however the details may be wrong (just because an event was caused by a conspiracy doesn't mean it was connected to any other conspiracies). And in the most serious conspiracies, there is always a leak. You simply can't ensure that everyone involved will keep their silence no matter how much they are bullied and bribed.


Yep - there are the real conspiracies (insider trading, the mafia, price fixing, Enron-style shenanigans, etc), and there are the tinfoil hat conspiracies of secret societies of aliens ruling the world, that sort of thing.


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25 Sep 2008, 6:05 pm

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cyberscan wrote:
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I do NOT understand these people! If someone is born from Jesus, they should have no sin or death because god spoke only to adam AFTER HE ate the apple! ALSO, to believe otherwise, is to believe that Jesus HIMSELF was tainted. YEAH, I know that MARY was supposedly free of all sin, and a virgin birth, but THAT has even MORE problems! So doesn't that mean the person would be just, healthy, and not die of old age? AND, if anyone believes other than how I have specified here, then JESUS had the SAME problems! After all, his BIRTH was supposed to be key. Yet some STILL claim they are from the same line.

As for the people today? There are only TWO possibilities! I have known this for DECADES, and can't believe others don't. The TWO possibilities? The leaders are either INCREDIBLY STUPID, or INCREDIBLY EVIL! I mean THINK ABOUT IT! EVEN if, as many believe, this is MERELY because they are INCREDIBLY GREEDY, they are STILL EVIL because it is SO bad, and STUPID because it has, and will affect THEM also.


Where in the Bible does it say that Adam or Eve (Chawah) ate the apple or even imply that the apple was the forbidden fruit? It does not! It does not say that Mary was free of sin either. For everyones' information, the kings of Europe are in fact descended from Judah, son of Jacob. As far as our leaders are concerned, I think they are both incredibly evil and incredibly stupid. I don't buy into the giant conspiracy theory, but I do buy into the many mini-conspiracies that are all happening at the same time. By the way, it isn't just our leaders that are incredibly evil, it is also much of the population.


You're RIGHT! I was speaking of imagery laid down by history. It clearly WASN'T an apple! Steve allen implied it might have been a banana! It wasn't THAT either! And the BIBLE doesn't say that mary was free of sin, or from a virgin birth, but some catholics DO! I was using it as a device to illustrate a point, and preemptively shoot down that reasoning. And HOW do you know about the kings of Europe?!?!? I DOUBT they are descended from Judah, even if many DO have the same bloodline, that most jews clearly DON'T have.


The Merovinger dynasty in France were descendents of Jesus.

Mary never existed, there is no proof anywhere of her. The mother icon comes all the way from worshipping Isis in Egypt and has been invented by the Christians


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25 Sep 2008, 6:17 pm

[quote="Warsie"]I'm reminded as WHY Alex Jones is the sh**!

Klaus Barbie had the honours of teaching torture techniques to the CIA

Britain has whitewashed so many Nazis just after the war an dprovided them with a passport direction South America

Hitlers body was never found and rumours have it that he may well have escaped to SA and died there


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25 Sep 2008, 7:24 pm

The entire article and some of the replies here sound disturbingly like excerpts from The Protocols of the Elders of Zion 8O

I have a general rule of not being in the same room as someone who spouts Zionist conspiracy theories...



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25 Sep 2008, 7:47 pm

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The Merovinger dynasty in France were descendents of Jesus.

Mary never existed, there is no proof anywhere of her. The mother icon comes all the way from worshipping Isis in Egypt and has been invented by the Christians


WHOA!! !! ! Jesus EXISTED!?!?!? And he had NO mother! I mean he just POPPED into the world!?!?!? WOW!

AMAZING!



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25 Sep 2008, 7:58 pm

even more...THAT Jesus never existed, so did the comet not that brought the kings to his stall (Bible doesn't mean that it is historical proof)


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25 Sep 2008, 8:22 pm

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Britain has whitewashed so many Nazis just after the war an dprovided them with a passport direction South America


I swore they escaped by themselves-and often with help from collaborators from withing the Catholic Church, German Civilian population, etc.


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25 Sep 2008, 8:29 pm

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I believe the world is looking at their not to distant future. I doubt any of the populace has a true idea how ruthless, greedy and selfish these individuals are in world and the goverment plants they have established.


Erm, yes they do. That's why there's massive anti-Globalization Protests everytime the G8, WTO, Bilderburgers, etc meet. Marx has been saying this in the 1800s of the exploitation of the proletariat.


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26 Sep 2008, 1:38 am

A lot of thought provoking theories here.Another interesting aside is that banking was
more or less invented by the Knight's Templar,whose agendas were said to have been
taken up by the Freemasons,who in turn played a large part in creating the USA in line with
the quest to introduce a New World Order. I keep an open mind about it because a lot of the
theories can't be dismissed completely.


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26 Sep 2008, 7:08 am

Isn't there research to suggest the Autism gene originates from central european jews.



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26 Sep 2008, 10:30 am

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Isn't there research to suggest the Autism gene originates from central european jews.

oops...next to the neanderthal thread, are we going to need on for Central European Jews now?


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